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The implication was the typical user. Artists using Photoshop, producers using Ableton, engineers using AutoCAD etc.. were all left out as well.

by sehr 12y ago

vacri 12y ago
I'm surprised at how much downmodding my comment is getting. Frankly, it really goes to show just how much of a bubble HN is in if people don't see 'gaming' as being something a 'typical user' does. Gaming is a huge market, full of non-technical users, and Windows is a strong market segment. I mean, seriously, you've just likened gamers to being as rare as AutoCAD users.
- sehr 12y ago
  You're reading too much into this, I was just throwing up other examples of other minority use cases. But, if we assume using Steam (arbitrary) as the benchmark for being somewhat serious about gaming, then there are 75 million[0] computer gamers. Compare that to the number of Windows users[1] at 1.5 billion and they are a definite minority outside the realm of a 'typical computer user'. And if I had to guess and why your comment is being down voted, it's probably because it comes across as a bit nitpicky as gaming very obviously isn't the focus of a Chromebook. [0] - http://www.joystiq.com/2014/01/15/steam-has-75-million-active-users-valve-announces-at-dev-days/ http://www.joystiq.com/2014/01/15/steam-has-75-million-activ... [1] - http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/bythenumbers/index.html http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/bythenumbers/index.html
  - vacri 12y ago
    The original comment was 'recommend a chromebook for any windows user who isn't a developer'. It's hardly nitpicky to say that there are plenty of people who have a use case that this doesn't fit (business software users are another very large segment). Oh, well, if it's 'only' 75 million people, I guess they don't count - they're not true Scotsmen.
- blutoot 12y ago
  I live close to the rustbelt - far far away from the tech "bubble" and I can happily tell you that barring the undergrad kids at the university I have rarely seen a person use his/her laptop for gaming. So no, gamers are not "typical users" in my mind either.
  - allegory 12y ago
    This. In the UK I don't see anyone much bar some specialists playing games on PCs. It's done on xboxes and phones these days. Even I as an ex-gaming, clan membered top 20 ngworldstats unreal tournament player who attended many a LAN party doesn't play a single game on a PC now and doesn't own a graphics card past an integrated Intel one...
    - vacri 12y ago
      Ah, the good old "there is no PC gaming anymore" argument, when PC gaming is still vibrant. As sehr links above, there are 75 million active Steam users, and Steam is not console-focused. Yet another No True Scotsman argument. Edit: Numbers from a year ago show that Steam active users (65M) is higher than XBox Live users (48M), and while XBoxes aren't the only console, it's clearly just not true that 'gaming is [only] being done on xboxes these days', no matter how many leaderboards you were on back in the day. http://www.slashgear.com/steam-users-eclipse-xbox-live-psn-still-far-and-away-tops-30303588/ http://www.slashgear.com/steam-users-eclipse-xbox-live-psn-s... (october last year)
baddox 12y ago
Then why say "anyone but a developer"? The wording doesn't make sense if this usage of "everyone" means "everyone but designers, music producers, engineers, etc."

The implication was the typical user. Artists using Photoshop, producers using Ableton, engineers using AutoCAD etc.. were all left out as well.

by sehr 12y ago

The implication was the typical user. Artists using Photoshop, producers using Ableton, engineers using AutoCAD etc.. were all left out as well.

vacri 12y ago

I'm surprised at how much downmodding my comment is getting. Frankly, it really goes to show just how much of a bubble HN is in if people don't see 'gaming' as being something a 'typical user' does. Gaming is a huge market, full of non-technical users, and Windows is a strong market segment. I mean, seriously, you've just likened gamers to being as rare as AutoCAD users.

sehr 12y ago
You're reading too much into this, I was just throwing up other examples of other minority use cases. But, if we assume using Steam (arbitrary) as the benchmark for being somewhat serious about gaming, then there are 75 million[0] computer gamers. Compare that to the number of Windows users[1] at 1.5 billion and they are a definite minority outside the realm of a 'typical computer user'. And if I had to guess and why your comment is being down voted, it's probably because it comes across as a bit nitpicky as gaming very obviously isn't the focus of a Chromebook. [0] - http://www.joystiq.com/2014/01/15/steam-has-75-million-active-users-valve-announces-at-dev-days/ http://www.joystiq.com/2014/01/15/steam-has-75-million-activ... [1] - http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/bythenumbers/index.html http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/bythenumbers/index.html
- vacri 12y ago
  The original comment was 'recommend a chromebook for any windows user who isn't a developer'. It's hardly nitpicky to say that there are plenty of people who have a use case that this doesn't fit (business software users are another very large segment). Oh, well, if it's 'only' 75 million people, I guess they don't count - they're not true Scotsmen.
blutoot 12y ago
I live close to the rustbelt - far far away from the tech "bubble" and I can happily tell you that barring the undergrad kids at the university I have rarely seen a person use his/her laptop for gaming. So no, gamers are not "typical users" in my mind either.
- allegory 12y ago
  This. In the UK I don't see anyone much bar some specialists playing games on PCs. It's done on xboxes and phones these days. Even I as an ex-gaming, clan membered top 20 ngworldstats unreal tournament player who attended many a LAN party doesn't play a single game on a PC now and doesn't own a graphics card past an integrated Intel one...
  - vacri 12y ago
    Ah, the good old "there is no PC gaming anymore" argument, when PC gaming is still vibrant. As sehr links above, there are 75 million active Steam users, and Steam is not console-focused. Yet another No True Scotsman argument. Edit: Numbers from a year ago show that Steam active users (65M) is higher than XBox Live users (48M), and while XBoxes aren't the only console, it's clearly just not true that 'gaming is [only] being done on xboxes these days', no matter how many leaderboards you were on back in the day. http://www.slashgear.com/steam-users-eclipse-xbox-live-psn-still-far-and-away-tops-30303588/ http://www.slashgear.com/steam-users-eclipse-xbox-live-psn-s... (october last year)

baddox 12y ago

Then why say "anyone but a developer"? The wording doesn't make sense if this usage of "everyone" means "everyone but designers, music producers, engineers, etc."