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True, so don't engage in behavior like child porn worth burning a zero-day for.

by x0x0 12y ago

CapitalistCartr 12y ago
"Like - having the same characteristics or qualities as; similar to" Who decides what is worth compromising basic security and a zero-day? In the recent past, the US federal gov't has shown itself far more hostile to those who challenged them, or ratted on their actions than actual dangerous people. Is the "similar to" being a whistle-blower? Maybe being person who criticizes the policies of the gov't while being employed by it? If I trusted my gov't to restrain itself to child pornographers and actual threats to the country (not government, country), I'd sleep easier.
- csandreasen 12y ago
  Who decides what is worth compromising basic security and a zero-day? Ultimately, lawmakers and the people who elected them. Additionally, elected presidents and the people who elect them, as well as the court system.
  - coldtea 12y ago
    I don't think that's how modern democracy works, if it works at all. Direct democracy in 4 b.C Athens, maybe.
    - csandreasen 12y ago
      It's a slow system with a lot of flaws, but ultimately if Congress were to pass a law saying who the FBI could or could not use a 0-day against, they'd be legally bound to comply. Ditto for presidential directives. If you're arrested as a result evidence acquired through use of a 0-day, you can make an argument in court if you really think you have a compelling case. There's a whole lot of little details that make these easier or harder under certain circumstances, but none of these are impossible, especially if you have popular support for your cause. If you don't like the way something works, you can talk to your congressmen, vote, support organizations that promote your cause, etc. Just complaining on the internet won't change much.
justizin 12y ago
Unfortunately, not everything "worth burning a zero-day" to some misguided government agent is as clear cut of an activity to categorize as child porn. Obviously, I mean, it's fine if the government just walks into your house once a week for inspection because, pff, what have you got to hide?

True, so don't engage in behavior like child porn worth burning a zero-day for.

by x0x0 12y ago

True, so don't engage in behavior like child porn worth burning a zero-day for.

"Like - having the same characteristics or qualities as; similar to" Who decides what is worth compromising basic security and a zero-day? In the recent past, the US federal gov't has shown itself far more hostile to those who challenged them, or ratted on their actions than actual dangerous people. Is the "similar to" being a whistle-blower? Maybe being person who criticizes the policies of the gov't while being employed by it? If I trusted my gov't to restrain itself to child pornographers and actual threats to the country (not government, country), I'd sleep easier.

csandreasen 12y ago
Who decides what is worth compromising basic security and a zero-day? Ultimately, lawmakers and the people who elected them. Additionally, elected presidents and the people who elect them, as well as the court system.
- coldtea 12y ago
  I don't think that's how modern democracy works, if it works at all. Direct democracy in 4 b.C Athens, maybe.
  - csandreasen 12y ago
    It's a slow system with a lot of flaws, but ultimately if Congress were to pass a law saying who the FBI could or could not use a 0-day against, they'd be legally bound to comply. Ditto for presidential directives. If you're arrested as a result evidence acquired through use of a 0-day, you can make an argument in court if you really think you have a compelling case. There's a whole lot of little details that make these easier or harder under certain circumstances, but none of these are impossible, especially if you have popular support for your cause. If you don't like the way something works, you can talk to your congressmen, vote, support organizations that promote your cause, etc. Just complaining on the internet won't change much.

justizin 12y ago

Unfortunately, not everything "worth burning a zero-day" to some misguided government agent is as clear cut of an activity to categorize as child porn. Obviously, I mean, it's fine if the government just walks into your house once a week for inspection because, pff, what have you got to hide?