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My wild guess is that they feel it would cannibalize sales from the phone? Cramming all the other features (FM, pedometer, camera/video) into the nano will mak

My wild guess is that they feel it would cannibalize sales from the phone? Cramming all the other features (FM, pedometer, camera/video) into the nano will make menu navigation pretty complicated though.

pchristensen 17y ago
Bingo. Nano competes with standard devices but isn't expandable through the AppStore. Touch gives you internet, AppStore but is hardware limited (no radio, camera, mic). Have to buy the iPhone + contract to get both. I was dreaming of a touch with a speaker + mic so I could use Skype + MiFi.
- MaysonL 17y ago
  Zii Egg has that, also video & still cameras. But no radio. :-(
- ojbyrne 17y ago
  Perhaps you know this but you can use the mic on the iphone headphones with the touch. e.g. http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MB770G/A?fnode=MTY1NDA3NA&mco=Nzk4NTU1Mw http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MB770G/A?fnode=MTY1NDA3NA&... And it has a speaker.
  - pchristensen 17y ago
    Thanks - I knew you could buy external mics but didn't know Apple sold mic headphones. I have the original touch that doesn't have a speaker.
    - ojbyrne 17y ago
      Ok then you should know it doesn't do audio input either. You need gen2.
e1ven 17y ago
Possible; My take is that this is what happens when products are developed without strong leadership. The Nano team internalized, and asked themselves "What have customers been asking for", and added a radio and camera. The Radio seems to have come out of nowhere- So far as I know, the iPhone/touch don't have them. The iPhone/iPod touch team, on the other hand, continued to not add the Camera, since it's a differentiating feature, as you suggested.
- pyre 17y ago
  > The Radio seems to have come out of nowhere- So far as I know, the iPhone/touch don't have them. Not necessarily. It was a much-demanded feature for the iPod for a while, though there isn't much customer pressure nowadays. On the other hand, both my Sansa Fuze and my Nokia 5310 have FM tuners in them... Maybe they felt 'peer' pressure to include an FM tuner since there are a lot of other devices out there that do.
  - e1ven 17y ago
    Exactly my point- It's like they went to the box of "What have people been asking for", rather than working on a unified strategy through all of the iPod devices. The "Good, Better, Best" strategy is massively broken here.. Do I want HD space? Class. Do I want Video? iPhone or Nano Do I want Photos? iPhone Do I want cheap? Shuffle Do I want Apps, but cheap? iPod Touch We're stuck with a features grid, not a clear progression.
- rg 17y ago
  "The Radio seems to have come out of nowhere--So far as I know, the iPhone/touch don't have them" No, but the Zune player has long had FM radio, so best to dominate the Microsoft competitor in all dimensions. BTW, FM is very convenient if you have a dedicated old computer streaming internet radio and connect it to a small-commercial-type FM transmitter; you can then get FM reception of internet radio over all of even a large property, automatically in time-sync, using existing audio equipment and "portable radios" including the new Nano. (This is legal in the US, but not in all countries.)

pchristensen 17y ago

Bingo. Nano competes with standard devices but isn't expandable through the AppStore. Touch gives you internet, AppStore but is hardware limited (no radio, camera, mic). Have to buy the iPhone + contract to get both. I was dreaming of a touch with a speaker + mic so I could use Skype + MiFi.

MaysonL 17y ago
Zii Egg has that, also video & still cameras. But no radio. :-(
ojbyrne 17y ago
Perhaps you know this but you can use the mic on the iphone headphones with the touch. e.g. http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MB770G/A?fnode=MTY1NDA3NA&mco=Nzk4NTU1Mw http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MB770G/A?fnode=MTY1NDA3NA&... And it has a speaker.
- pchristensen 17y ago
  Thanks - I knew you could buy external mics but didn't know Apple sold mic headphones. I have the original touch that doesn't have a speaker.
  - ojbyrne 17y ago
    Ok then you should know it doesn't do audio input either. You need gen2.

e1ven 17y ago

Possible; My take is that this is what happens when products are developed without strong leadership. The Nano team internalized, and asked themselves "What have customers been asking for", and added a radio and camera. The Radio seems to have come out of nowhere- So far as I know, the iPhone/touch don't have them. The iPhone/iPod touch team, on the other hand, continued to not add the Camera, since it's a differentiating feature, as you suggested.

pyre 17y ago
> The Radio seems to have come out of nowhere- So far as I know, the iPhone/touch don't have them. Not necessarily. It was a much-demanded feature for the iPod for a while, though there isn't much customer pressure nowadays. On the other hand, both my Sansa Fuze and my Nokia 5310 have FM tuners in them... Maybe they felt 'peer' pressure to include an FM tuner since there are a lot of other devices out there that do.
- e1ven 17y ago
  Exactly my point- It's like they went to the box of "What have people been asking for", rather than working on a unified strategy through all of the iPod devices. The "Good, Better, Best" strategy is massively broken here.. Do I want HD space? Class. Do I want Video? iPhone or Nano Do I want Photos? iPhone Do I want cheap? Shuffle Do I want Apps, but cheap? iPod Touch We're stuck with a features grid, not a clear progression.
rg 17y ago
"The Radio seems to have come out of nowhere--So far as I know, the iPhone/touch don't have them" No, but the Zune player has long had FM radio, so best to dominate the Microsoft competitor in all dimensions. BTW, FM is very convenient if you have a dedicated old computer streaming internet radio and connect it to a small-commercial-type FM transmitter; you can then get FM reception of internet radio over all of even a large property, automatically in time-sync, using existing audio equipment and "portable radios" including the new Nano. (This is legal in the US, but not in all countries.)