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It's property that has been sent without payment received. It's stolen. >They can prove they're not the buyer, because the buyer has a completely different na

It's property that has been sent without payment received. It's stolen. >They can prove they're not the buyer, because the buyer has a completely different name. It doesn't matter the fraudulently purchased goods were shipped to your house. You are in possession of them and you're the person most likely to have committed the credit card fraud. Either way you are out the property even if you don't get investigated for credit card fraud. Do it a few times though and it will be difficult to explain away.

dublinben 12y ago
If it ever came to trial, there would be no proof that you'd been the one that committed the fraud. That's where the burden of proof lies, and there's simply no evidence.
- sanswork 12y ago
  There would be a lot of evidence though. The fact that on multiple occasions items purchased with stolen credit cards were sent to you and you had not returned those items implying you were expecting them. You'd have to come up with evidence to prove it wasn't you that ordered it and good luck with that.
  - newaccountfool 12y ago
    Your assuming that the buyer(Purchase of say electronics) is aware how the sellers get there goods, and your just assuming all items are carded. What happens if you linked the website on Facebook and people were like "Oh crap this is cheap" and go buy buy buy. The whole 'if its to good to be true it is' isn't going to stand up in court. The prosecution will have to prove that you knew the good where fraudulently purchased. Who know some people may use this as a legit alternative to Amazon, thinking all the items are legit (which they may well be).
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    - sanswork 12y ago
      I'm not assuming they are all carded. I'm assuming most will be. The discounts asked for on the site make it stupid for people to buy bitcoin with it with legitimate cards. Then they'd likely end up with a bunch of carded stuff too. As I said before best case situation you have to return everything you were sent and you lose your bitcoins in the process. Worse case you get an overzealous prosecutor that goes after you and tries to make the case that the number of carded things showing up at your address and claimed by you proves you were the one doing the carding. Would they win? Who knows but it'd certainly cost you more than you'd ever save to win yourself and you'd still lose the products in the short term.
  - newaccountfool 12y ago
    No they would have to prove that you did. Now they would have an IP address of the purchaser and that's not going to be you. They could also forensicly examine your computer and find out that you have no proxy tools, or tools that may be used to commit online fraud. Then what, where do they go from there?
    - sanswork 12y ago
      Nowhere but by that point you will have had your computers confiscated for the investigation(have you ever seen the condition of stuff they return?) and almost certainly had to hire a lawyer. So you're down your hardware, money for a lawyer, as well as losing the product you bought and the bitcoin that you paid.

dublinben 12y ago

If it ever came to trial, there would be no proof that you'd been the one that committed the fraud. That's where the burden of proof lies, and there's simply no evidence.

sanswork 12y ago
There would be a lot of evidence though. The fact that on multiple occasions items purchased with stolen credit cards were sent to you and you had not returned those items implying you were expecting them. You'd have to come up with evidence to prove it wasn't you that ordered it and good luck with that.
- newaccountfool 12y ago
  Your assuming that the buyer(Purchase of say electronics) is aware how the sellers get there goods, and your just assuming all items are carded. What happens if you linked the website on Facebook and people were like "Oh crap this is cheap" and go buy buy buy. The whole 'if its to good to be true it is' isn't going to stand up in court. The prosecution will have to prove that you knew the good where fraudulently purchased. Who know some people may use this as a legit alternative to Amazon, thinking all the items are legit (which they may well be).
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  - sanswork 12y ago
    I'm not assuming they are all carded. I'm assuming most will be. The discounts asked for on the site make it stupid for people to buy bitcoin with it with legitimate cards. Then they'd likely end up with a bunch of carded stuff too. As I said before best case situation you have to return everything you were sent and you lose your bitcoins in the process. Worse case you get an overzealous prosecutor that goes after you and tries to make the case that the number of carded things showing up at your address and claimed by you proves you were the one doing the carding. Would they win? Who knows but it'd certainly cost you more than you'd ever save to win yourself and you'd still lose the products in the short term.
- newaccountfool 12y ago
  No they would have to prove that you did. Now they would have an IP address of the purchaser and that's not going to be you. They could also forensicly examine your computer and find out that you have no proxy tools, or tools that may be used to commit online fraud. Then what, where do they go from there?
  - sanswork 12y ago
    Nowhere but by that point you will have had your computers confiscated for the investigation(have you ever seen the condition of stuff they return?) and almost certainly had to hire a lawyer. So you're down your hardware, money for a lawyer, as well as losing the product you bought and the bitcoin that you paid.