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I was asking about the concern of immigration officer - why should they have this presumption if you're, say, an experienced software engineer or similarly high

by zura 12y ago

I was asking about the concern of immigration officer - why should they have this presumption if you're, say, an experienced software engineer or similarly high skilled educated professional. Nobody with these skillset are going to stay somewhere illegally and work [without permit] in "dirty"/heavy job space.

Someone1234 12y ago
A software engineer could trivially illegally migrate to the US and then make money via their trade (e.g. freelance development work, app sales, pretty much anything online, telecommuting abroad). You're right in the sense that it would be hard to get a normal 9-5 job without a visa/SSN but you're dismissing a huge number of alternative routes to income which wouldn't even depend on the person's physically being in the US (e.g. open a Google Developer account as if you were still in your home country, pay taxes there, but do it all from the US). Plus your assumption that developers are "above" working in blue collar jobs is flawed. There are tons of fully certified Indian doctors working blue collar jobs abroad right now, developers are no better.
- zura 12y ago
  OK, refusing a visa because of your last sentences makes sense - i.e. to prevent you from "stealing" blue collar jobs from US citizens. But in your first sentences, you describe quite self-sufficient/sustained person - who "steals" nothing from US people. He/she even contributes to US economy by living there - paying rent, eating food, etc... plus not using US social system. So why such person is not welcome then?
  - Someone1234 12y ago
    I wasn't responding in order to clarify "why" the visa system is the way it is. I was simply pointing out that your assumption that "no developer would ever illegally migrate because they couldn't get a job once in the destination country" argument is flawed. The way the current US visa system is structured self-sustainability isn't really their primary motivator, the primary motivator seems closer to "just keep everyone out UNLESS they provide enough value to US society as a whole" (e.g. people with high sought after skills or qualifications).

by zura 12y ago

Someone1234 12y ago

A software engineer could trivially illegally migrate to the US and then make money via their trade (e.g. freelance development work, app sales, pretty much anything online, telecommuting abroad). You're right in the sense that it would be hard to get a normal 9-5 job without a visa/SSN but you're dismissing a huge number of alternative routes to income which wouldn't even depend on the person's physically being in the US (e.g. open a Google Developer account as if you were still in your home country, pay taxes there, but do it all from the US). Plus your assumption that developers are "above" working in blue collar jobs is flawed. There are tons of fully certified Indian doctors working blue collar jobs abroad right now, developers are no better.

zura 12y ago
OK, refusing a visa because of your last sentences makes sense - i.e. to prevent you from "stealing" blue collar jobs from US citizens. But in your first sentences, you describe quite self-sufficient/sustained person - who "steals" nothing from US people. He/she even contributes to US economy by living there - paying rent, eating food, etc... plus not using US social system. So why such person is not welcome then?
- Someone1234 12y ago
  I wasn't responding in order to clarify "why" the visa system is the way it is. I was simply pointing out that your assumption that "no developer would ever illegally migrate because they couldn't get a job once in the destination country" argument is flawed. The way the current US visa system is structured self-sustainability isn't really their primary motivator, the primary motivator seems closer to "just keep everyone out UNLESS they provide enough value to US society as a whole" (e.g. people with high sought after skills or qualifications).