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Can anyone link me to some literature on VMs? Sure, I can analyse the code, but from a design perspective, I would love to learn more about how VMs work, where

Can anyone link me to some literature on VMs? Sure, I can analyse the code, but from a design perspective, I would love to learn more about how VMs work, where they can be used, etc etc.

tekknolagi 12y ago
So I started off following this (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Creating_a_Virtual_Machine/Register_VM_in_C http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Creating_a_Virtual_Machine/Regi...) which was interesting but clearly never super influential in my design (except in earlier stages, but that died). Then I read this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2034422/tutorial-resource-for-implementing-vm http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2034422/tutorial-resource... and this: http://courses.cms.caltech.edu/cs11/material/c/mike/lab8/lab8.html http://courses.cms.caltech.edu/cs11/material/c/mike/lab8/lab... and took a look at the MSP430's instruction set. As far as where they can be used... anywhere? I don't know the answer to your question - sorry :)
- manish_gill 12y ago
  Thanks for all those links!
- VLM 12y ago
  "and took a look at the MSP430's instruction set." I wonder in a general sense if there are many VMs that explicitly copy good older CPUs. I've always thought the 6809 would make an awesome VM. After all, it was pretty awesome to code on in the real world. Or a VM based on the classic 1802, 6502, or Z80 with some minor mods. If you really want to warp peoples minds give them a VM based on IBM HAL assembler, basically turn Hercules and VM into a hypervisor rather than an application. A PDP-11 inspired/based virtual machine. Hmm.
  - astrobe_ 12y ago
    CISC would be better than RISC because one should keep in mind that for many operation most of the execution time is VM overhead. But if you want performance you'd rather tailor your instruction set to the language it will execute (assuming you're not making a general purpose VM). CPU makers like Intel do actually keep a close look on what programs are doing in order to evolve their instruction set.
astrobe_ 12y ago
http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth Start here: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/threaded-code.html http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/threaded-code.html

Can anyone link me to some literature on VMs? Sure, I can analyse the code, but from a design perspective, I would love to learn more about how VMs work, where they can be used, etc etc.

tekknolagi 12y ago

So I started off following this (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Creating_a_Virtual_Machine/Register_VM_in_C http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Creating_a_Virtual_Machine/Regi...) which was interesting but clearly never super influential in my design (except in earlier stages, but that died). Then I read this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2034422/tutorial-resource-for-implementing-vm http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2034422/tutorial-resource... and this: http://courses.cms.caltech.edu/cs11/material/c/mike/lab8/lab8.html http://courses.cms.caltech.edu/cs11/material/c/mike/lab8/lab... and took a look at the MSP430's instruction set. As far as where they can be used... anywhere? I don't know the answer to your question - sorry :)

manish_gill 12y ago
Thanks for all those links!
VLM 12y ago
"and took a look at the MSP430's instruction set." I wonder in a general sense if there are many VMs that explicitly copy good older CPUs. I've always thought the 6809 would make an awesome VM. After all, it was pretty awesome to code on in the real world. Or a VM based on the classic 1802, 6502, or Z80 with some minor mods. If you really want to warp peoples minds give them a VM based on IBM HAL assembler, basically turn Hercules and VM into a hypervisor rather than an application. A PDP-11 inspired/based virtual machine. Hmm.
- astrobe_ 12y ago
  CISC would be better than RISC because one should keep in mind that for many operation most of the execution time is VM overhead. But if you want performance you'd rather tailor your instruction set to the language it will execute (assuming you're not making a general purpose VM). CPU makers like Intel do actually keep a close look on what programs are doing in order to evolve their instruction set.

astrobe_ 12y ago

http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth Start here: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/threaded-code.html http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/threaded-code.html