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I would love to use Gnus (I currently use mutt but increasingly love all things Emacs). The problem seems that memory baloons with even small modest maildirs,

by 616c 12y ago

I would love to use Gnus (I currently use mutt but increasingly love all things Emacs). The problem seems that memory baloons with even small modest maildirs, where mutt does as well but the memory consumption was far less by comparison. Also, the imap layer seemed quite slow. I know this is anecdotal. But does anyone else know have counter experiences or tweaking recommendations? I sync maildirs with mbsync/isync and use notmuch. I could use the notmuch Emacs interface as well, but it does not do some delete operations and other things that require frequent access to raw maildir access (notmuch indexing will not delete maildir emails, but syncs all other flags). Mutt-kz (mutt with notmuch extensions) is pretty much my current sweet spot. Anyone else where I am at? It is so hard to part with the efficiency and simplicity of mutt once you adapt.

z0r 12y ago
mu4e is pretty good - http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html the configuration is a bit of a pain, but once you've gotten past the setup it's a very nice way to do your email from inside emacs
- 616c 12y ago
  Funny you mention it. To be honest, I am not asking about the mail indexer clients in this space (mu4e and notmuch.el). However, to address your concern, mu4e had even worse memory consumption than notmuch (of course my opinion but I tried both of them on and off for the lat few months, and I have to admit indexing and Emacs client memory consumption notmuch was much better in my experience). Anyway, still need direct access to maildirs because these indexing systems do not delete the email out of your maildirs. I need to spruce up every once in a while. Thanks for the recommendation though.
- mongrol 12y ago
  I've been using mu4e for over a year now and have been very happy with it. For some reason I just couldn't get my head around GNUS workflow and concepts. mu4e just seemed more normal to me, but with great search.
nextos 12y ago
I love mutt, and I'm really hoping mutt-kz replaces vanilla mutt. I think that mutt-kz + isync are a great mail suite. I'm missing address completion a la gmail from notmuch, though. This is a feature mu (which can also be used as a backend, like notmuch) has implemented. I've never understood why notmuch always relied on ugly and slow hacks for this. Incidentally, I type my emails in emacs, but I don't like using emacs as an os, so it's just my email composer.
girzel 12y ago
I have a setup like that -- gmail imap, synced with isync, indexed with notmuch. Gnus' imap implementation has gotten much faster recently, and the notmuch integration is great. On the other hand, if you're liking mutt, why switch?
- nextos 12y ago
  How do you handle contacts? I'd like to have a gmail-like setup i.e., autocomplete based on the people that I've written to or have written to me in the past. There are some ugly hacks in notmuch to accomplish this, which I don't understand, since it should be quite easy to achieve. In fact mu provides it, and they both use xapian as a backend.
  - girzel 12y ago
    I use BBDB, the standard contact manager package. Version 3 is much better! It does all the autocompletion stuff you could want. As far as I know there's no integration with notmuch, though. That's not too much of a problem, however, since the only thing you're missing there is the ability to create new contacts automatically from received messages. But you're almost certainly reading new messages in Gnus (where BBDB contact creation works), not in Notmuch.
    - nextos 12y ago
      Can it show addresses to autocomplete even if you don't have created contacts for them? That's what I want to achieve, and what is currently possible with mu (and notmuch, but through an ugly hack). I like treating contacts like favorites. I don't manage any, and let my email client / web browser handle them based on frequency.
      - girzel 12y ago
        No, BBDB doesn't maintain separate lists of "real contacts" and "seen addresses". On the other hand, contact creation is cheap, and can be totally automated to happen behind the scenes, without your involvement, so the effect can be similar.

by 616c 12y ago

z0r 12y ago

mu4e is pretty good - http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html the configuration is a bit of a pain, but once you've gotten past the setup it's a very nice way to do your email from inside emacs

616c 12y ago
Funny you mention it. To be honest, I am not asking about the mail indexer clients in this space (mu4e and notmuch.el). However, to address your concern, mu4e had even worse memory consumption than notmuch (of course my opinion but I tried both of them on and off for the lat few months, and I have to admit indexing and Emacs client memory consumption notmuch was much better in my experience). Anyway, still need direct access to maildirs because these indexing systems do not delete the email out of your maildirs. I need to spruce up every once in a while. Thanks for the recommendation though.
mongrol 12y ago
I've been using mu4e for over a year now and have been very happy with it. For some reason I just couldn't get my head around GNUS workflow and concepts. mu4e just seemed more normal to me, but with great search.

nextos 12y ago

I love mutt, and I'm really hoping mutt-kz replaces vanilla mutt. I think that mutt-kz + isync are a great mail suite. I'm missing address completion a la gmail from notmuch, though. This is a feature mu (which can also be used as a backend, like notmuch) has implemented. I've never understood why notmuch always relied on ugly and slow hacks for this. Incidentally, I type my emails in emacs, but I don't like using emacs as an os, so it's just my email composer.

girzel 12y ago

I have a setup like that -- gmail imap, synced with isync, indexed with notmuch. Gnus' imap implementation has gotten much faster recently, and the notmuch integration is great. On the other hand, if you're liking mutt, why switch?

nextos 12y ago
How do you handle contacts? I'd like to have a gmail-like setup i.e., autocomplete based on the people that I've written to or have written to me in the past. There are some ugly hacks in notmuch to accomplish this, which I don't understand, since it should be quite easy to achieve. In fact mu provides it, and they both use xapian as a backend.
- girzel 12y ago
  I use BBDB, the standard contact manager package. Version 3 is much better! It does all the autocompletion stuff you could want. As far as I know there's no integration with notmuch, though. That's not too much of a problem, however, since the only thing you're missing there is the ability to create new contacts automatically from received messages. But you're almost certainly reading new messages in Gnus (where BBDB contact creation works), not in Notmuch.
  - nextos 12y ago
    Can it show addresses to autocomplete even if you don't have created contacts for them? That's what I want to achieve, and what is currently possible with mu (and notmuch, but through an ugly hack). I like treating contacts like favorites. I don't manage any, and let my email client / web browser handle them based on frequency.
    - girzel 12y ago
      No, BBDB doesn't maintain separate lists of "real contacts" and "seen addresses". On the other hand, contact creation is cheap, and can be totally automated to happen behind the scenes, without your involvement, so the effect can be similar.