The liberty point is a great one. I'm not 100% convinced that there are not some downsides to it - e.g. I'm for seatbelt laws that save a lot of people's lives.

The liberty point is a great one. I'm not 100% convinced that there are not some downsides to it - e.g. I'm for seatbelt laws that save a lot of people's lives. But it's the basis for a really rational debate that is more fundamental than the moral judgements that most people apply to this discussion. Not that moral judgements have no place in these sorts of debates, but they tend to derail pretty quickly... :)