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It is not just you. As a native Singaporean, I had to turn on my VPN to read this article and post this comment. I don't feel free here. It's not a nice feeling

by nubela 12y ago

It is not just you. As a native Singaporean, I had to turn on my VPN to read this article and post this comment. I don't feel free here. It's not a nice feeling, despite the "superficial goodness" foreigners love to talk about.

mdda 12y ago
You're overstating : I'm sitting in Holland Village (Singapore) reading HN just fine.
- nubela 12y ago
  See my above post. Most Singaporean's don't care that the big G collects everything about you.
  - mdda 12y ago
    With due respect, "I had to turn on my VPN to read this article and post this comment" is overstating. I understand that you may feel like you should only read/post with the aid of a VPN : However, having lived in the US for quite a while before arriving in SG, I think you're overestimating the reality of American's Freedom of Speech (for non-US persons). Both of us are foreign nationals w.r.t. the USA NSA. So they're legally free (under US law, as I understand it) to monitor, store and correlate all our communications (particularly since we're meeting at an end-point in the USA).
- crdb 12y ago
  +1, reading this fine on my home Starhub connection.
  - lazylizard 12y ago
    m1 fiber works too
frankchn 12y ago
As a Singaporean who is now in the US, it is the same thing over here (with a bit more secrecy pre-Snowden). I will be very surprised if Comcast (my ISP) doesn't have fiber splitters along their backbones feeding my (and other people's) internet traffic to the NSA. edit: Also, with the recent revelation that NSA targets Tor users, I would not be surprised if by virtue of using a VPN, you are automatically deemed more suspicious.
- toyg 12y ago
  The thing is, in the US it's a fairly recent development, whereas in Singapore it's intrinsic to how the government works. Yes, the US have periodic bouts of widespread semi-fascist repression (McCarthy, GWB etc), but they traditionally subside after a few years. TIA eventually generated Snowden, for instance, and in 20 years time it's very much possible that we'll look back at early 2000's paranoia as a dark age of sort. There is no indication of this ever happening in Singapore. It might be due to issues of scale (repressing 3m people is much easier than doing the same to 400m) or culture (the whole Constitution / Freedom mindset in the US is very different from the "community first" approach more typical of Asian countries), but that's how it is.

by nubela 12y ago

mdda 12y ago

You're overstating : I'm sitting in Holland Village (Singapore) reading HN just fine.

nubela 12y ago
See my above post. Most Singaporean's don't care that the big G collects everything about you.
- mdda 12y ago
  With due respect, "I had to turn on my VPN to read this article and post this comment" is overstating. I understand that you may feel like you should only read/post with the aid of a VPN : However, having lived in the US for quite a while before arriving in SG, I think you're overestimating the reality of American's Freedom of Speech (for non-US persons). Both of us are foreign nationals w.r.t. the USA NSA. So they're legally free (under US law, as I understand it) to monitor, store and correlate all our communications (particularly since we're meeting at an end-point in the USA).
crdb 12y ago
+1, reading this fine on my home Starhub connection.
- lazylizard 12y ago
  m1 fiber works too

frankchn 12y ago

As a Singaporean who is now in the US, it is the same thing over here (with a bit more secrecy pre-Snowden). I will be very surprised if Comcast (my ISP) doesn't have fiber splitters along their backbones feeding my (and other people's) internet traffic to the NSA. edit: Also, with the recent revelation that NSA targets Tor users, I would not be surprised if by virtue of using a VPN, you are automatically deemed more suspicious.

toyg 12y ago
The thing is, in the US it's a fairly recent development, whereas in Singapore it's intrinsic to how the government works. Yes, the US have periodic bouts of widespread semi-fascist repression (McCarthy, GWB etc), but they traditionally subside after a few years. TIA eventually generated Snowden, for instance, and in 20 years time it's very much possible that we'll look back at early 2000's paranoia as a dark age of sort. There is no indication of this ever happening in Singapore. It might be due to issues of scale (repressing 3m people is much easier than doing the same to 400m) or culture (the whole Constitution / Freedom mindset in the US is very different from the "community first" approach more typical of Asian countries), but that's how it is.