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How hard must they have tried to write that without using the word Marxism!?

by jackweirdy 12y ago

InclinedPlane 12y ago
Ownership is basically antithetical to the core concept of Marxism.
- spindritf 12y ago
  Marxism is just a way of viewing the world but public ownership of the means of production is exactly what socialism is. Workers owning everything was the very founding idea. There are other marxism-inspired ideologies, like syndicalism, which are even closer to what coops try to establish within the market economy.
throwaway902i 12y ago
It isn't Marxism. One of the most well-known advocates of employee-owned companies, Noam Chomsky, is anarchist, not Marxist. Marxism is primarily about controlling political power to achieve economic goals. What the article talks about works without (much) political power.
- ageek123 12y ago
  I hate to break the news to you but Chomsky is a Marxist.
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  - throwaway902i 12y ago
    Wrong. Check Wikipedia or any of his writings. He is clearly not Marxist. Anarchism is fundamentally incompatible with Marxism, because it lies on the other side of the vertical axis in the political compass (politicalcompass.org). 'He later described his discovery of anarchism as a "lucky accident", allowing him to become critical of other radical left-wing ideologies, namely Marxism-Leninism.'
  - grumanin 12y ago
    What's your argument/evidence for that claim? Chomsky has self explicitly said numerous times that he's not a Marxist and prominent Marxists don't consider him to be one of them...
TeMPOraL 12y ago
And thanks to them for that. Because the moment someone uses a political label like that the whole discussion usually goes haywire. I wish people would stop labeling everything by random political ideologies. It makes exactly as much sense as saying: "classes are bad because they are Javish, and we all know how Java is bad because it asks you to provide megabytes of XML just to print 'Hello World'". This is what I hear when someone says "hey, this is marxist/communist/liberal/whatever speech". Seriously, labeling like that is a cognitive equivalent of drunk driving - probably fun, but sheer idiocy.

How hard must they have tried to write that without using the word Marxism!?

InclinedPlane 12y ago

Ownership is basically antithetical to the core concept of Marxism.

spindritf 12y ago
Marxism is just a way of viewing the world but public ownership of the means of production is exactly what socialism is. Workers owning everything was the very founding idea. There are other marxism-inspired ideologies, like syndicalism, which are even closer to what coops try to establish within the market economy.

throwaway902i 12y ago

It isn't Marxism. One of the most well-known advocates of employee-owned companies, Noam Chomsky, is anarchist, not Marxist. Marxism is primarily about controlling political power to achieve economic goals. What the article talks about works without (much) political power.

ageek123 12y ago
I hate to break the news to you but Chomsky is a Marxist.
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- throwaway902i 12y ago
  Wrong. Check Wikipedia or any of his writings. He is clearly not Marxist. Anarchism is fundamentally incompatible with Marxism, because it lies on the other side of the vertical axis in the political compass (politicalcompass.org). 'He later described his discovery of anarchism as a "lucky accident", allowing him to become critical of other radical left-wing ideologies, namely Marxism-Leninism.'
- grumanin 12y ago
  What's your argument/evidence for that claim? Chomsky has self explicitly said numerous times that he's not a Marxist and prominent Marxists don't consider him to be one of them...

TeMPOraL 12y ago

And thanks to them for that. Because the moment someone uses a political label like that the whole discussion usually goes haywire. I wish people would stop labeling everything by random political ideologies. It makes exactly as much sense as saying: "classes are bad because they are Javish, and we all know how Java is bad because it asks you to provide megabytes of XML just to print 'Hello World'". This is what I hear when someone says "hey, this is marxist/communist/liberal/whatever speech". Seriously, labeling like that is a cognitive equivalent of drunk driving - probably fun, but sheer idiocy.