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Most of the problems you are having sound like a 3rd-party application is at fault rather than Apple. Maybe they should have been prepared for Snow Leopard? T

Most of the problems you are having sound like a 3rd-party application is at fault rather than Apple. Maybe they should have been prepared for Snow Leopard? The following is admittedly under the guise of "should have been prepared", but I'll say it anyway: I think one of the more legitimate complaints is that the upgrade completely removes Java 5 from your system. Not only that, but they silently remapped all of the 1.5 entries in /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions to point at 1.6. Got a project in Eclipse compiled against a 1.5 JDK? That suddenly doesn't work. And it may be confusing to some because guess what, you're still setup as compiling against that Java 5 JDK. It's just being remapped to 1.6 now.

TomOfTTB 17y ago
How would you suggest Developers "prepare for Snow Leopard" Even now if you want to know what was changed you have to scour various web sites which are making lists based on user tips. Apple certainly didn't put out a press release saying "hey, this is what we're changing" I think upgrading to any OS right when it comes out is a little silly so I don't have much sympathy for those experiencing quirks either but I do have sympathy for Apple developers who never know what's going to come down the pike next.
- brown9-2 17y ago
  Actually Apple does give developers (at least, large ones) advance copies of the OS, API changelists, etc. It would be irresponsible not to work with vendors that make applications for your OS to make sure that your user's favorite programs still work in the latest version of your OS.
  - TomOfTTB 17y ago
    Somehow I don't think Cyberduck made the advanced copy list. That's the point. Sure Microsoft probably got Snow Leopard in advance but a lot of developers didn't and it's unfair to chastise them for not being prepared when there's no way they could have been. That said, I mean no offense but I thought this comment by you was hilarious... "It would be irresponsible not to work with vendors that make applications for your OS to make sure that your user's favorite programs still work in the latest version of your OS." I'm not sure if you own an iPhone or not but if you did you'd know Version 3 nuked A LOT of programs.
    - brown9-2 17y ago
      No iPhone here - perhaps that's why I still have that naive attitude :)
    - squidbot 17y ago
      Anyone who is a premium member of ADC or went to WWDC got an advance copy. You don't need to "make the advanced copy list."
      - TomOfTTB 17y ago
        In fairness I had forgotten that advance copies were handed out at WWDC. But at the same time the conference was attended by 5,000 people many of which were journalists so I still don't think that qualifies as "easy for a developer to get their hands on" (I don't know that it was distributed to ADC members) Also, I go back to my original point which is now that Snow Leopard is public we STILL don't have an official list from Apple of what they changed.
        GHFigs 17y ago
        we STILL don't have an official list from Apple of what they changed. https://developer.apple.com/mac/library/releasenotes/MacOSX/WhatsNewInOSX/WhatsNewInOSX.html https://developer.apple.com/mac/library/releasenotes/MacOSX/... This document is not intended as a complete list of features or changes for each new version of Mac OS X. Instead, it focuses on those features or changes that affect the development of third-party software, providing overviews of each along with insight as to how and when you might use them to create your own software. Wherever possible, this document also provides links to other Apple conceptual and reference documentation for that feature or change. You will need a free Apple Developer Connection account to read it, and the rest of the updated developer documentation.
    - GHFigs 17y ago
      http://developer.apple.com/products/mac/program/software.html http://developer.apple.com/products/mac/program/software.htm... The ADC Software Seeding Program is an exclusive benefit for ADC Premier and Select Members and enables developers to incorporate the latest Apple technologies into their development, test for compatibility, and report bugs. Select membership is $500/yr.

TomOfTTB 17y ago

How would you suggest Developers "prepare for Snow Leopard" Even now if you want to know what was changed you have to scour various web sites which are making lists based on user tips. Apple certainly didn't put out a press release saying "hey, this is what we're changing" I think upgrading to any OS right when it comes out is a little silly so I don't have much sympathy for those experiencing quirks either but I do have sympathy for Apple developers who never know what's going to come down the pike next.

brown9-2 17y ago
Actually Apple does give developers (at least, large ones) advance copies of the OS, API changelists, etc. It would be irresponsible not to work with vendors that make applications for your OS to make sure that your user's favorite programs still work in the latest version of your OS.
- TomOfTTB 17y ago
  Somehow I don't think Cyberduck made the advanced copy list. That's the point. Sure Microsoft probably got Snow Leopard in advance but a lot of developers didn't and it's unfair to chastise them for not being prepared when there's no way they could have been. That said, I mean no offense but I thought this comment by you was hilarious... "It would be irresponsible not to work with vendors that make applications for your OS to make sure that your user's favorite programs still work in the latest version of your OS." I'm not sure if you own an iPhone or not but if you did you'd know Version 3 nuked A LOT of programs.
  - brown9-2 17y ago
    No iPhone here - perhaps that's why I still have that naive attitude :)
  - squidbot 17y ago
    Anyone who is a premium member of ADC or went to WWDC got an advance copy. You don't need to "make the advanced copy list."
    - TomOfTTB 17y ago
      In fairness I had forgotten that advance copies were handed out at WWDC. But at the same time the conference was attended by 5,000 people many of which were journalists so I still don't think that qualifies as "easy for a developer to get their hands on" (I don't know that it was distributed to ADC members) Also, I go back to my original point which is now that Snow Leopard is public we STILL don't have an official list from Apple of what they changed.
      - GHFigs 17y ago
        we STILL don't have an official list from Apple of what they changed. https://developer.apple.com/mac/library/releasenotes/MacOSX/WhatsNewInOSX/WhatsNewInOSX.html https://developer.apple.com/mac/library/releasenotes/MacOSX/... This document is not intended as a complete list of features or changes for each new version of Mac OS X. Instead, it focuses on those features or changes that affect the development of third-party software, providing overviews of each along with insight as to how and when you might use them to create your own software. Wherever possible, this document also provides links to other Apple conceptual and reference documentation for that feature or change. You will need a free Apple Developer Connection account to read it, and the rest of the updated developer documentation.
  - GHFigs 17y ago
    http://developer.apple.com/products/mac/program/software.html http://developer.apple.com/products/mac/program/software.htm... The ADC Software Seeding Program is an exclusive benefit for ADC Premier and Select Members and enables developers to incorporate the latest Apple technologies into their development, test for compatibility, and report bugs. Select membership is $500/yr.