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Tell HN: I'm frustrated with Snow Leopard

10 points by daveambrose 17y ago

Probably like many of you, I was excited to hit "purchase" when I heard the news of Snow Leopard's release. I did and now I wish I waited for 10.6.1. Small bugs are annoying me, i.e. Transmission hangs when closes, Cyberduck won't load my server, Expose randomly shakes windows at times, etc. Apple certainly had me sold on the under-the-hood bells and whistles for the OS, but certain applications don't like to play nice. I imagine an update will be coming out in the next few weeks and solve these initial woes. I guess what I'm trying to say is - why did I need to move from Leopard to Snow Leopard when it was working perfectly fine? Are you frustrated with your results thus far? Am I the only one?

makecheck 17y ago
I've seen no such quirks myself, although when moving from Tiger to Leopard I was one of the people seeing blue screens at boot, and was very angry. Ultimately, you should never expect all your applications to work on day one; if you have things that "must" keep working, wait awhile before upgrading the OS. For one thing, not all developers have advance access to the OS (like me; I only find out if my code works when I buy the retail copy of the OS). Even if a developer does have advance copies, it is possible that a tiny change between the beta and GM will have unexpected consequences. Fortunately in my case, I had to change nothing to support Snow Leopard (and I still support 10.3.9!). But not all apps will be so lucky.
unalone 17y ago
Transmission hangs on close for me, and I'm running 10.5.
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kevinherron 17y ago
Most of the problems you are having sound like a 3rd-party application is at fault rather than Apple. Maybe they should have been prepared for Snow Leopard? The following is admittedly under the guise of "should have been prepared", but I'll say it anyway: I think one of the more legitimate complaints is that the upgrade completely removes Java 5 from your system. Not only that, but they silently remapped all of the 1.5 entries in /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions to point at 1.6. Got a project in Eclipse compiled against a 1.5 JDK? That suddenly doesn't work. And it may be confusing to some because guess what, you're still setup as compiling against that Java 5 JDK. It's just being remapped to 1.6 now.
- TomOfTTB 17y ago
  How would you suggest Developers "prepare for Snow Leopard" Even now if you want to know what was changed you have to scour various web sites which are making lists based on user tips. Apple certainly didn't put out a press release saying "hey, this is what we're changing" I think upgrading to any OS right when it comes out is a little silly so I don't have much sympathy for those experiencing quirks either but I do have sympathy for Apple developers who never know what's going to come down the pike next.
  - brown9-2 17y ago
    Actually Apple does give developers (at least, large ones) advance copies of the OS, API changelists, etc. It would be irresponsible not to work with vendors that make applications for your OS to make sure that your user's favorite programs still work in the latest version of your OS.
    - TomOfTTB 17y ago
      Somehow I don't think Cyberduck made the advanced copy list. That's the point. Sure Microsoft probably got Snow Leopard in advance but a lot of developers didn't and it's unfair to chastise them for not being prepared when there's no way they could have been. That said, I mean no offense but I thought this comment by you was hilarious... "It would be irresponsible not to work with vendors that make applications for your OS to make sure that your user's favorite programs still work in the latest version of your OS." I'm not sure if you own an iPhone or not but if you did you'd know Version 3 nuked A LOT of programs.
      - brown9-2 17y ago
        No iPhone here - perhaps that's why I still have that naive attitude :)
      - squidbot 17y ago
        Anyone who is a premium member of ADC or went to WWDC got an advance copy. You don't need to "make the advanced copy list."
GHFigs 17y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenga
colbyolson 17y ago
With Transmission, I've found that it helps to pause or remove any active torrents before quitting the application. As for 10.6.1, so far the update has been smooth. I have yet to see any application hiccups, though I haven't really taken it for a true spin. While the 10.6.1 update is available to ADC Mac-Dev members, I would assume the update is coming publicly soon enough.
Brian_D 17y ago
Has anyone else tried opening.. and then saving.. a Quicktime Movie directly in Safari? This one is a no go. I suppose this is not 'good' user behavior. All in all Quicktime-X smells bad. In Safari - it won't play much for me. The same videos that load in QT7.. are either broken icon's or just a blank page in Safari. Example.. google some random movies (google: index_of .mov OR .avi) pick a movie and click away. If the movie loads, "Save as..." is disabled. Now you say you can just right click on the link and then save as.. yes.. but sometimes you don't get a nice link to click on. Seems to be a added 'antifeature'.

10 points by daveambrose 17y ago

makecheck 17y ago

I've seen no such quirks myself, although when moving from Tiger to Leopard I was one of the people seeing blue screens at boot, and was very angry. Ultimately, you should never expect all your applications to work on day one; if you have things that "must" keep working, wait awhile before upgrading the OS. For one thing, not all developers have advance access to the OS (like me; I only find out if my code works when I buy the retail copy of the OS). Even if a developer does have advance copies, it is possible that a tiny change between the beta and GM will have unexpected consequences. Fortunately in my case, I had to change nothing to support Snow Leopard (and I still support 10.3.9!). But not all apps will be so lucky.

unalone 17y ago

Transmission hangs on close for me, and I'm running 10.5.

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kevinherron 17y ago

Most of the problems you are having sound like a 3rd-party application is at fault rather than Apple. Maybe they should have been prepared for Snow Leopard? The following is admittedly under the guise of "should have been prepared", but I'll say it anyway: I think one of the more legitimate complaints is that the upgrade completely removes Java 5 from your system. Not only that, but they silently remapped all of the 1.5 entries in /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions to point at 1.6. Got a project in Eclipse compiled against a 1.5 JDK? That suddenly doesn't work. And it may be confusing to some because guess what, you're still setup as compiling against that Java 5 JDK. It's just being remapped to 1.6 now.

TomOfTTB 17y ago
How would you suggest Developers "prepare for Snow Leopard" Even now if you want to know what was changed you have to scour various web sites which are making lists based on user tips. Apple certainly didn't put out a press release saying "hey, this is what we're changing" I think upgrading to any OS right when it comes out is a little silly so I don't have much sympathy for those experiencing quirks either but I do have sympathy for Apple developers who never know what's going to come down the pike next.
- brown9-2 17y ago
  Actually Apple does give developers (at least, large ones) advance copies of the OS, API changelists, etc. It would be irresponsible not to work with vendors that make applications for your OS to make sure that your user's favorite programs still work in the latest version of your OS.
  - TomOfTTB 17y ago
    Somehow I don't think Cyberduck made the advanced copy list. That's the point. Sure Microsoft probably got Snow Leopard in advance but a lot of developers didn't and it's unfair to chastise them for not being prepared when there's no way they could have been. That said, I mean no offense but I thought this comment by you was hilarious... "It would be irresponsible not to work with vendors that make applications for your OS to make sure that your user's favorite programs still work in the latest version of your OS." I'm not sure if you own an iPhone or not but if you did you'd know Version 3 nuked A LOT of programs.
    - brown9-2 17y ago
      No iPhone here - perhaps that's why I still have that naive attitude :)
    - squidbot 17y ago
      Anyone who is a premium member of ADC or went to WWDC got an advance copy. You don't need to "make the advanced copy list."

GHFigs 17y ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenga

colbyolson 17y ago

With Transmission, I've found that it helps to pause or remove any active torrents before quitting the application. As for 10.6.1, so far the update has been smooth. I have yet to see any application hiccups, though I haven't really taken it for a true spin. While the 10.6.1 update is available to ADC Mac-Dev members, I would assume the update is coming publicly soon enough.

Brian_D 17y ago

Has anyone else tried opening.. and then saving.. a Quicktime Movie directly in Safari? This one is a no go. I suppose this is not 'good' user behavior. All in all Quicktime-X smells bad. In Safari - it won't play much for me. The same videos that load in QT7.. are either broken icon's or just a blank page in Safari. Example.. google some random movies (google: index_of .mov OR .avi) pick a movie and click away. If the movie loads, "Save as..." is disabled. Now you say you can just right click on the link and then save as.. yes.. but sometimes you don't get a nice link to click on. Seems to be a added 'antifeature'.