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Just as an aside on one of the points they try to make (not about residential internet access): "Imagine the Director of Public Works using her smart phone to

by mrks_hy 12y ago

Just as an aside on one of the points they try to make (not about residential internet access): "Imagine the Director of Public Works using her smart phone to reschedule all the sprinklers in the city with just a few clicks." This makes me really uncomfortable. I think infrastructure needs to be physically separated from the public networks. Everything else just asks for somebody to cause mayhem, un- or intentionally.

JetSpiegel 12y ago
I think what they are going for is: the Director of Public Works can call the sprinkler maintainers directly. Not that they literally have an app, just lower bureaucracy.
sargun 12y ago
So, would you propose a dedicated physical wire for every service? You have to begin weighing the differences between physical vs. logical separation in network design at a point. MSR did two really good studies on network reliability, when they found that larger Aspen trees are significantly more reliable than smaller ones. If you're to build a large tree for every system, you're going to have a prohibitively expensive infrastructure. In addition to this, the complexity of having multiple bespoke systems for every time someone calls something special, and dedicated results in higher system, and network administration cost. Because the scales of various networks are going to be different, their implementation will probably vary greatly as well, giving your engineers massive headaches. It's been shown that engineers, and software result in the highest number of failures in production systems. Lastly, physical separation is no longer an easy excuse for security. At some point, that separation, intentionally, or unintentionally is going to get broken. It's best to begin operating from an idea that shared infrastructure will be more resilient, cheaper, and easier-to-operate.
- mseebach 12y ago
  > So, would you propose a dedicated physical wire for every service? That's actually in a twisted sense what the article is advocating. Instead of relying on commodity communications, they advocate the city putting in their own infrastructure so they can do things like this. The article is generally good, but that section is strange. You unequivocally do not need to run high speed internet to homes in order to move towards a "smart city" - wiring up those things they mention is orders of magnitude cheaper than running fiber to every home (funny how surveillance cameras is a suddenly a good thing, by the way).

by mrks_hy 12y ago

JetSpiegel 12y ago

I think what they are going for is: the Director of Public Works can call the sprinkler maintainers directly. Not that they literally have an app, just lower bureaucracy.

sargun 12y ago

So, would you propose a dedicated physical wire for every service? You have to begin weighing the differences between physical vs. logical separation in network design at a point. MSR did two really good studies on network reliability, when they found that larger Aspen trees are significantly more reliable than smaller ones. If you're to build a large tree for every system, you're going to have a prohibitively expensive infrastructure. In addition to this, the complexity of having multiple bespoke systems for every time someone calls something special, and dedicated results in higher system, and network administration cost. Because the scales of various networks are going to be different, their implementation will probably vary greatly as well, giving your engineers massive headaches. It's been shown that engineers, and software result in the highest number of failures in production systems. Lastly, physical separation is no longer an easy excuse for security. At some point, that separation, intentionally, or unintentionally is going to get broken. It's best to begin operating from an idea that shared infrastructure will be more resilient, cheaper, and easier-to-operate.

mseebach 12y ago
> So, would you propose a dedicated physical wire for every service? That's actually in a twisted sense what the article is advocating. Instead of relying on commodity communications, they advocate the city putting in their own infrastructure so they can do things like this. The article is generally good, but that section is strange. You unequivocally do not need to run high speed internet to homes in order to move towards a "smart city" - wiring up those things they mention is orders of magnitude cheaper than running fiber to every home (funny how surveillance cameras is a suddenly a good thing, by the way).