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I'm pretty sure virtually every country in the world has court ordered subpoenas / warrants. Nor do they accept "I'm sorry I can't provide the e friend's murde

by fleitz 12y ago

I'm pretty sure virtually every country in the world has court ordered subpoenas / warrants. Nor do they accept "I'm sorry I can't provide the e friend's murder weapon as it is at my Irish country house" as an excuse to not turn over the weapon.

mikhailt 12y ago
Your example doesn't make any sense as that's not the case they were debating about, it is not an excuse not to turn over the weapon from a different country, it is about who can ask you to turn over the weapon. In Ireland, it is the Ireland's legal authorities who should be asking you to turn over the weapon and then hand it over to the US as long as they agree with the request from US. Using your example, the closest (not really the most accurate one) analog would be: 1. Microsoft is the landlord of two places, one in US and one in Ireland 2. US court ordered Microsoft with a US search warrant to enter the property of a customer in Ireland and grab his murder weapon. This is basically what's happening. No country in the world including the US are entitled to anything in a different country. Last I checked, the US does not own Ireland. 3. The right way, US filed a request with the Ireland's legal authorities and they issued a search warrant for Microsoft to grab the murder weapon. In this case, this is legal because of the international agreements between both countries. Ireland should be in charge of issuing the warrant and enforcing it, not Microsoft with a US search warrant. In fact, the said US warrant should not even be valid in Ireland. The US government admitted that they can go to Ireland's authorities to issue a local search warrant based on the international treaties, however they whined that it would take too long. So, they instead issued a warrant against Microsoft and asked it to get the data from Ireland.
mikhailt 12y ago
Think about this the over way around. Russia thinks you broke some laws or said something bad about their president and wants to access your blog data that's stored on the US servers. The company that is hosting your data is Microsoft. Russia filed a local search warrant for Microsoft to hand in your data but your data is stored and hosted in the US. Do you think Microsoft should be allowed to do this or do you think Russia should file a request with the US government and the US would issue a search warrant to MS to grab the data. US would then hand over the data to Russia.

by fleitz 12y ago

mikhailt 12y ago

Your example doesn't make any sense as that's not the case they were debating about, it is not an excuse not to turn over the weapon from a different country, it is about who can ask you to turn over the weapon. In Ireland, it is the Ireland's legal authorities who should be asking you to turn over the weapon and then hand it over to the US as long as they agree with the request from US. Using your example, the closest (not really the most accurate one) analog would be: 1. Microsoft is the landlord of two places, one in US and one in Ireland 2. US court ordered Microsoft with a US search warrant to enter the property of a customer in Ireland and grab his murder weapon. This is basically what's happening. No country in the world including the US are entitled to anything in a different country. Last I checked, the US does not own Ireland. 3. The right way, US filed a request with the Ireland's legal authorities and they issued a search warrant for Microsoft to grab the murder weapon. In this case, this is legal because of the international agreements between both countries. Ireland should be in charge of issuing the warrant and enforcing it, not Microsoft with a US search warrant. In fact, the said US warrant should not even be valid in Ireland. The US government admitted that they can go to Ireland's authorities to issue a local search warrant based on the international treaties, however they whined that it would take too long. So, they instead issued a warrant against Microsoft and asked it to get the data from Ireland.

mikhailt 12y ago

Think about this the over way around. Russia thinks you broke some laws or said something bad about their president and wants to access your blog data that's stored on the US servers. The company that is hosting your data is Microsoft. Russia filed a local search warrant for Microsoft to hand in your data but your data is stored and hosted in the US. Do you think Microsoft should be allowed to do this or do you think Russia should file a request with the US government and the US would issue a search warrant to MS to grab the data. US would then hand over the data to Russia.