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Democracy is not the be-all, end-all. A consensus to do evil should be rejected. Our repudiation of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood was more a rejection of t

by DLarsen 12y ago

Democracy is not the be-all, end-all. A consensus to do evil should be rejected. Our repudiation of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood was more a rejection of their stated aims rather than the means of influence.

cup 12y ago
Hamas is a resistance movement born out of occupation so It's no surprise that the west balked at their success (considering the implications it has for Israel). The response to the Muslim Brotherhood however is harder to understand beyond basic hypocrisy.
- waps 12y ago
  I don't get this. You seem to accept the fact that there are "implications for Israel" (ie. annihilation of Jews worldwide, as stated in their charter ?), and yet call hamas a "resistence movement" ? Really ? When Hamas came to the elections, it was painfully clear : the Hamas movement is a choice for open war instead of negotiation (that was what the choice came down to, how it was presented in Gaza, what the PLA was doing : conquer Israel through negotiation, and international pressure). And while Hamas faked the election, they would have won if they didn't. Their support in the Gaza strip is not 100%, but it is very, very hight. Incidentally, the first thing once they were securely in power was massacre Fatah. [1] Democracy ? Resistance ? Hamas is as much of a democratic resistance movement as the KGB is. One thing I also don't get. Hamas has a stated policy of destroying human rights [2], yet this never gets even mentioned in this conflict. Reporting on the constant atrocities by Hamas is almost non-existent, and doesn't seem to influence people's opinion on the matter. Why not ? Hamas has, for one thing, killed more Palestinians than Israel. [4] How can anyone support these guys ? Allow me to finish with a sentence from a Hamas propaganda video that should shock you : "You love life, and we love death. And that is why we will win." (talking about Israel) [3] (note: this is from the Hadith, an islamic holy text) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007) [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Palestinian_territories http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Palestinian... [3] http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FC23Aa01.html http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FC23Aa01.html [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJFC98jPrQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJFC98jPrQ

by DLarsen 12y ago

cup 12y ago

Hamas is a resistance movement born out of occupation so It's no surprise that the west balked at their success (considering the implications it has for Israel). The response to the Muslim Brotherhood however is harder to understand beyond basic hypocrisy.

waps 12y ago
I don't get this. You seem to accept the fact that there are "implications for Israel" (ie. annihilation of Jews worldwide, as stated in their charter ?), and yet call hamas a "resistence movement" ? Really ? When Hamas came to the elections, it was painfully clear : the Hamas movement is a choice for open war instead of negotiation (that was what the choice came down to, how it was presented in Gaza, what the PLA was doing : conquer Israel through negotiation, and international pressure). And while Hamas faked the election, they would have won if they didn't. Their support in the Gaza strip is not 100%, but it is very, very hight. Incidentally, the first thing once they were securely in power was massacre Fatah. [1] Democracy ? Resistance ? Hamas is as much of a democratic resistance movement as the KGB is. One thing I also don't get. Hamas has a stated policy of destroying human rights [2], yet this never gets even mentioned in this conflict. Reporting on the constant atrocities by Hamas is almost non-existent, and doesn't seem to influence people's opinion on the matter. Why not ? Hamas has, for one thing, killed more Palestinians than Israel. [4] How can anyone support these guys ? Allow me to finish with a sentence from a Hamas propaganda video that should shock you : "You love life, and we love death. And that is why we will win." (talking about Israel) [3] (note: this is from the Hadith, an islamic holy text) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007) [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Palestinian_territories http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Palestinian... [3] http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FC23Aa01.html http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FC23Aa01.html [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJFC98jPrQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJFC98jPrQ