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I thought it was pretty clear in my first few sentences which points I was referring to. Furthermore, your assumption about the screen and wifi is incorrect. M

by asnyder 17y ago

I thought it was pretty clear in my first few sentences which points I was referring to. Furthermore, your assumption about the screen and wifi is incorrect. Mobile Opera was available and was pretty decent. Yes, apps were a one click install. You get the app, either through url, or file transfer and press one button. A quick Google search would've cleared that up for you.

rimantas 17y ago
Yes, you refer to many. I am too dumb to decipher that, can you name those many by numbers? What exactly is incorrect in my assumptions about the screen: is not 240x320 half the resolution of 480x320? Is not 16bit color space not as deep as 24bit? Did that HTC indeed have multitouch? How did that WiFi work seamlesly? Connected on demand to the known networks in the backround, without need for you to do anything? "Prety decent" can mean many things. But it does not mean that you could see the page looking exactly like it did on desktop. Not to mention JS and CSS support. Regarding apps: I am not talking about installing the app once it is on your phone. That's zero clicks on iPhone. I am talking about the whole experience.
- asnyder 17y ago
  You make arguments such as But it does not mean that you could see the page looking exactly like it did on desktop. Not to mention JS and CSS support, which is false. Opera Mobile rendered websites properly. Furthermore, your tone is very combative. It's obvious that you're not actually reading what I write, but rather, just pushing your preconceived notions. It's not necessary for me to make a list for you. I was merely pointing out how many of the items that were supposedly introduced or unique to the iPhone wasn't, and in fact was worked on and implemented by many talented engineers years before the iPhone was released. As a long time HN user, dialogs such as these really turn me off to the current community.
  - jrwoodruff 17y ago
    As someone not familiar with the phone you mention, and never having used it, I would like to see a list, for comparison purposes. Although the tone is a bit combative and could be toned down some, I don't think they're being overly hostile, but rather are just asking for facts. I think most people are aware that the iPhone didn't spring out of some black ether. Obviously it built on technology that existed, but then that's the point. They put it together in a way that blew apart the model that existed before and have pretty much pushed the worldwide cellphone market into a new era.
  - gcanyon 17y ago
    Well, it _is_ September...
- dejb 17y ago
  Lacking Flash in a browser or on a phone at all could be regarded as a shortcoming as well. A PPC phone could run flash from before the iPhone existed. > is not 240x320 half the resolution of 480x320? Is not 16bit color space not as deep as 24bit? Did that HTC indeed have multitouch? So does that mean the HTC touch HD with a 3.8-inch wide, WVGA (480 X 800 pixel) is now clearly superior? > How did that WiFi work seamlesly? Search for 'iphone wifi'. Those in glass houses? What you are doing is defining everything about the iphone as the ultimate. So anything different to it is deficient. You are conveniently forgetting about it's many deficiencies when it launched in 2007 such as - no mobile broadband.

by asnyder 17y ago

rimantas 17y ago

Yes, you refer to many. I am too dumb to decipher that, can you name those many by numbers? What exactly is incorrect in my assumptions about the screen: is not 240x320 half the resolution of 480x320? Is not 16bit color space not as deep as 24bit? Did that HTC indeed have multitouch? How did that WiFi work seamlesly? Connected on demand to the known networks in the backround, without need for you to do anything? "Prety decent" can mean many things. But it does not mean that you could see the page looking exactly like it did on desktop. Not to mention JS and CSS support. Regarding apps: I am not talking about installing the app once it is on your phone. That's zero clicks on iPhone. I am talking about the whole experience.

asnyder 17y ago
You make arguments such as But it does not mean that you could see the page looking exactly like it did on desktop. Not to mention JS and CSS support, which is false. Opera Mobile rendered websites properly. Furthermore, your tone is very combative. It's obvious that you're not actually reading what I write, but rather, just pushing your preconceived notions. It's not necessary for me to make a list for you. I was merely pointing out how many of the items that were supposedly introduced or unique to the iPhone wasn't, and in fact was worked on and implemented by many talented engineers years before the iPhone was released. As a long time HN user, dialogs such as these really turn me off to the current community.
- jrwoodruff 17y ago
  As someone not familiar with the phone you mention, and never having used it, I would like to see a list, for comparison purposes. Although the tone is a bit combative and could be toned down some, I don't think they're being overly hostile, but rather are just asking for facts. I think most people are aware that the iPhone didn't spring out of some black ether. Obviously it built on technology that existed, but then that's the point. They put it together in a way that blew apart the model that existed before and have pretty much pushed the worldwide cellphone market into a new era.
- gcanyon 17y ago
  Well, it _is_ September...
dejb 17y ago
Lacking Flash in a browser or on a phone at all could be regarded as a shortcoming as well. A PPC phone could run flash from before the iPhone existed. > is not 240x320 half the resolution of 480x320? Is not 16bit color space not as deep as 24bit? Did that HTC indeed have multitouch? So does that mean the HTC touch HD with a 3.8-inch wide, WVGA (480 X 800 pixel) is now clearly superior? > How did that WiFi work seamlesly? Search for 'iphone wifi'. Those in glass houses? What you are doing is defining everything about the iphone as the ultimate. So anything different to it is deficient. You are conveniently forgetting about it's many deficiencies when it launched in 2007 such as - no mobile broadband.