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You AGAIN?! With all due respect, don't you get tired of being down modded for preaching relig.. politics on HN? If you really can make a good argument for th

by berntb 17y ago

You AGAIN?! With all due respect, don't you get tired of being down modded for preaching relig.. politics on HN? If you really can make a good argument for those theories, which shows them to be a serious alternative -- with proof that the failure modes won't kill millions of people -- put them on a web site and put up a link. If you can do that, I promise to vote for it. (Also, you'll probably get the next Nobel for economics.) Edit: Added a ",".

onreact-com 17y ago
I'm just commenting on a post about economics/politics. So don't SHOUT at me. Flag it or something if you can't cope with that post. I perfectly conform with the HN system and guidelines and already have more 1000 karma points in around a month I'm actively contributing here. You contribute far less so don't teach me about HN. Also you're very funny. How can I bring you proof that a theory (btw. which one exactly?) can do this or that in future? Time travel? Last but not least, the current system is killing millions. 50k children dying daily so think twice before offending me and suggesting I somehow speak in favor of genocide.
- berntb 17y ago
  >>How can I bring you proof that a theory (btw. which one exactly?) can do this or that So you don't have an alternative, but are only complaining that the present system isn't perfect and countries do realpolitik? >>the current system is killing millions. 50k children dying daily so think twice before offending me and suggesting I somehow speak in favor of genocide. Which, counted as percentages, is arguably better than ever in history. And is getting better ever decade. [Historically, where I grew up, the child mortality was around 20-30%... and large families.] As you wrote, you don't have an alternative, either. I am all for attempts to try other economic systems, but not inside 10000 km of where I live. Continue writing your political faith then, if it is so important to preach...
  - onreact-com 17y ago
    ">>How can I bring you proof that a theory (btw. which one exactly?) can do this or that So you don't have an alternative, but are only complaining that the present system isn't perfect and countries do realpolitik?" There are plenty of alternatives around, but I don't have to propose alternatives to be able to criticize something. This way you can shut up everybody, but "unfortunately" we have free speech. You don't post from Saudi Arabia or something, do you? Now that you ask: Parecon is a whole system based on participation. It sounds quite feasible. "As you wrote, you don't have an alternative, either." See above. "Which, counted as percentages, is arguably better than ever in history. And is getting better ever decade. [Historically, where I grew up, the child mortality was around 20-30%... and large families.]" Again, that's due to medical and technological progress which does not depend on capitalism. It's the other why around: You have a better healthcare in Cuba than you have in the US that's why US citizens visit Cuba for surgery etc. "I am all for attempts to try other economic systems, but not inside 10000 km of where I live. Continue writing your political faith then, if it is so important to preach..." No, I didn't say there is no alternative and I didn't preach. You preach the gospel of realpolitik where there is no alternative. Are you a fatalist?
    - berntb 17y ago
      >>There are plenty of alternatives around, but I don't have to propose alternatives to be able to criticize something. You can't list an example that has worked for a big population in an industrialized world -- and given them an open society. It seems like complaints that someone should do something about cancer, because it isn't nice. The problem is how -- just complaining that the world could be better is not really interesting (I expect better on HN). >No, I didn't say there is no alternative and I didn't preach. But on a direct question, you had no alternative. You really seem emotionally involved and complain about the world system, which you would probably have to kill a large fraction of the world's population to change. >Are you a fatalist? Read what I said -- do tests of different organizational models but far from where I live, please. The failure modes are too scary. [Edit: I am not joking, to run a society with an untested economic system and nudge it along seems like doing brain surgery on yourself. In addition, left wingers seem too much like a cult of true believers to be pragmatic, then you get a "strong man".] If you really want to find my opinion, google for "democratic peace theory" and "resource curse". The countries not opening up and embracing capitalism and good governance are the ones with problems. They are either oil countries ("free" money for the controlling junta) or poor dictatorships with high walls, big oceans and really poor population (Syria, North Korea, Cuba, etc). Modern monarchies, if you will. For countries with capitalism and good governance, it is a question of time until their problems are solved. >>that's due to medical and technological progress which does not depend on capitalism Again, capitalistic models [Edit: added previous word] was needed for industrialization, afaik. And the US health care system is even more fscked than my local European one. (Is health care the reason why Americans are fleeing to Cuba in droves?) Edit: Changed an "or" to "and", "as" to "than".

by berntb 17y ago

onreact-com 17y ago

I'm just commenting on a post about economics/politics. So don't SHOUT at me. Flag it or something if you can't cope with that post. I perfectly conform with the HN system and guidelines and already have more 1000 karma points in around a month I'm actively contributing here. You contribute far less so don't teach me about HN. Also you're very funny. How can I bring you proof that a theory (btw. which one exactly?) can do this or that in future? Time travel? Last but not least, the current system is killing millions. 50k children dying daily so think twice before offending me and suggesting I somehow speak in favor of genocide.

berntb 17y ago
>>How can I bring you proof that a theory (btw. which one exactly?) can do this or that So you don't have an alternative, but are only complaining that the present system isn't perfect and countries do realpolitik? >>the current system is killing millions. 50k children dying daily so think twice before offending me and suggesting I somehow speak in favor of genocide. Which, counted as percentages, is arguably better than ever in history. And is getting better ever decade. [Historically, where I grew up, the child mortality was around 20-30%... and large families.] As you wrote, you don't have an alternative, either. I am all for attempts to try other economic systems, but not inside 10000 km of where I live. Continue writing your political faith then, if it is so important to preach...
- onreact-com 17y ago
  ">>How can I bring you proof that a theory (btw. which one exactly?) can do this or that So you don't have an alternative, but are only complaining that the present system isn't perfect and countries do realpolitik?" There are plenty of alternatives around, but I don't have to propose alternatives to be able to criticize something. This way you can shut up everybody, but "unfortunately" we have free speech. You don't post from Saudi Arabia or something, do you? Now that you ask: Parecon is a whole system based on participation. It sounds quite feasible. "As you wrote, you don't have an alternative, either." See above. "Which, counted as percentages, is arguably better than ever in history. And is getting better ever decade. [Historically, where I grew up, the child mortality was around 20-30%... and large families.]" Again, that's due to medical and technological progress which does not depend on capitalism. It's the other why around: You have a better healthcare in Cuba than you have in the US that's why US citizens visit Cuba for surgery etc. "I am all for attempts to try other economic systems, but not inside 10000 km of where I live. Continue writing your political faith then, if it is so important to preach..." No, I didn't say there is no alternative and I didn't preach. You preach the gospel of realpolitik where there is no alternative. Are you a fatalist?
  - berntb 17y ago
    >>There are plenty of alternatives around, but I don't have to propose alternatives to be able to criticize something. You can't list an example that has worked for a big population in an industrialized world -- and given them an open society. It seems like complaints that someone should do something about cancer, because it isn't nice. The problem is how -- just complaining that the world could be better is not really interesting (I expect better on HN). >No, I didn't say there is no alternative and I didn't preach. But on a direct question, you had no alternative. You really seem emotionally involved and complain about the world system, which you would probably have to kill a large fraction of the world's population to change. >Are you a fatalist? Read what I said -- do tests of different organizational models but far from where I live, please. The failure modes are too scary. [Edit: I am not joking, to run a society with an untested economic system and nudge it along seems like doing brain surgery on yourself. In addition, left wingers seem too much like a cult of true believers to be pragmatic, then you get a "strong man".] If you really want to find my opinion, google for "democratic peace theory" and "resource curse". The countries not opening up and embracing capitalism and good governance are the ones with problems. They are either oil countries ("free" money for the controlling junta) or poor dictatorships with high walls, big oceans and really poor population (Syria, North Korea, Cuba, etc). Modern monarchies, if you will. For countries with capitalism and good governance, it is a question of time until their problems are solved. >>that's due to medical and technological progress which does not depend on capitalism Again, capitalistic models [Edit: added previous word] was needed for industrialization, afaik. And the US health care system is even more fscked than my local European one. (Is health care the reason why Americans are fleeing to Cuba in droves?) Edit: Changed an "or" to "and", "as" to "than".