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I run admin + staging stuff and my own email on the dedicated servers. The Hetzner box has some offsite backups, too. I want something that won't die at the sam

I run admin + staging stuff and my own email on the dedicated servers. The Hetzner box has some offsite backups, too. I want something that won't die at the same time as the website. I use two colos for redundancy. One is in Sacramento, and it mitigates the earthquake risk of the one in Fremont. The AWS costs consists of stuff I'm too lazy to go find and delete. Everyone has an unused EC2 instance or S3 bucket somewhere; that's what keeps Amazon in the black.

obeid 12y ago
Is Pinboard still maintained by just one person?* (*)https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8069474 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8069474
- idlewords 12y ago
  Yes. Sometimes not even one!
  - kijin 12y ago
    Yeah, I still haven't made up my mind as to whether I should trust all my bookmarks with a guy who seems to have a knack for disappearing alone into strange corners of the world. Even if he is occasionally protected by a company of tanks and a Hind helicopter :)
    - idlewords 12y ago
      Just make daily backups. That goes for any bookmarking service you use.
      - underwater 12y ago
        Couldn't you build that into Pinboard (via Dropbox or similar).
        idlewords 12y ago
        Yeah, but then you're trusting me to do the backups for you. That's much less protection.
        jpwgarrison 12y ago
        yep, this in a crontab somewhere is all you need: curl -k -o ~/backups/pinboard-backups/pinboard-$(date +\%y\%m\%d).json 'https://api.pinboard.in/v1/posts/all?&auth_token=username:APItokenhere&format=json'
        underwater 12y ago
        I meant it as a defense against concern against the bus scenario. The backups would run while the site is live and if it ever spontaneously disappears then users would have an up-to-date backup available.
    - tnorthcutt 12y ago
      Better than the other "cloud" options, which end up getting sold or shuttered every year or two. Also, if you are a customer, you get to follow the hilarious twitter account.* *This is not true; anyone can and should follow the hilarious twitter account.
sushimako 12y ago
Interesting. Are colo prices generally that high in the US? May I ask what's included at 600$ for 2(-3?)U of rack-real estate there? * What level of support do you have (can you call someone at the DC at 4am and have him hot-swap a failed HD for you)? * How many shared or own gigabit or 100mbit uplinks are included? (if >1: can do bonding on your interfaces?) * With how many other servers do you share the same circuit-breaker? * I guess you have at least 1 UPS + 1 non-UPS power supplies? * exceptionally good peering? * network/power SLA? * 24/7 access to your server? I worked for a DC in europe some years ago and i'm genuinely intrigued how the price in your spreadsheet for colo-hosting is so much more than what i was used to (~100-150$/U).
- idlewords 12y ago
  $600 is for an entire cabinet, 15A, 100 Mbps bandwidth. HE doesn't offer half-cabinets in that facility, or I would have gotten one. Note that 15 A is nowhere near enough power to fill it to even 1/3 capacity.
  - sushimako 12y ago
    > Note that 15 A is nowhere near enough power to fill it to even 1/3 capacity. Yes that's pretty standard, afaik. The dc I worked at had individual circuits even for quarter- and half-cabbinets (2x 16A each), but i don't know how common that is in general. (instead of just putting 4 quarter-cabinets on the same circuits and have 1 customer blow his and 3 others' power)
  - TheSwordsman 12y ago
    Sounds like Fremont 1...
sciurus 12y ago
If you get the urge to stop paying Amazon, it shouldn't be hard to figure out what you're paying them for. http://docs.aws.amazon.com/awsaccountbilling/latest/aboutv2/getting-viewing-bill.html#view-usage-reports http://docs.aws.amazon.com/awsaccountbilling/latest/aboutv2/...
nl 12y ago
(Fantastic to see you back on HN, BTW)

obeid 12y ago

Is Pinboard still maintained by just one person?* (*)https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8069474 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8069474

idlewords 12y ago
Yes. Sometimes not even one!
- kijin 12y ago
  Yeah, I still haven't made up my mind as to whether I should trust all my bookmarks with a guy who seems to have a knack for disappearing alone into strange corners of the world. Even if he is occasionally protected by a company of tanks and a Hind helicopter :)
  - idlewords 12y ago
    Just make daily backups. That goes for any bookmarking service you use.
    - underwater 12y ago
      Couldn't you build that into Pinboard (via Dropbox or similar).
      - idlewords 12y ago
        Yeah, but then you're trusting me to do the backups for you. That's much less protection.
        jpwgarrison 12y ago
        yep, this in a crontab somewhere is all you need: curl -k -o ~/backups/pinboard-backups/pinboard-$(date +\%y\%m\%d).json 'https://api.pinboard.in/v1/posts/all?&auth_token=username:APItokenhere&format=json'
        underwater 12y ago
        I meant it as a defense against concern against the bus scenario. The backups would run while the site is live and if it ever spontaneously disappears then users would have an up-to-date backup available.
  - tnorthcutt 12y ago
    Better than the other "cloud" options, which end up getting sold or shuttered every year or two. Also, if you are a customer, you get to follow the hilarious twitter account.* *This is not true; anyone can and should follow the hilarious twitter account.

sushimako 12y ago

Interesting. Are colo prices generally that high in the US? May I ask what's included at 600$ for 2(-3?)U of rack-real estate there? * What level of support do you have (can you call someone at the DC at 4am and have him hot-swap a failed HD for you)? * How many shared or own gigabit or 100mbit uplinks are included? (if >1: can do bonding on your interfaces?) * With how many other servers do you share the same circuit-breaker? * I guess you have at least 1 UPS + 1 non-UPS power supplies? * exceptionally good peering? * network/power SLA? * 24/7 access to your server? I worked for a DC in europe some years ago and i'm genuinely intrigued how the price in your spreadsheet for colo-hosting is so much more than what i was used to (~100-150$/U).

idlewords 12y ago
$600 is for an entire cabinet, 15A, 100 Mbps bandwidth. HE doesn't offer half-cabinets in that facility, or I would have gotten one. Note that 15 A is nowhere near enough power to fill it to even 1/3 capacity.
- sushimako 12y ago
  > Note that 15 A is nowhere near enough power to fill it to even 1/3 capacity. Yes that's pretty standard, afaik. The dc I worked at had individual circuits even for quarter- and half-cabbinets (2x 16A each), but i don't know how common that is in general. (instead of just putting 4 quarter-cabinets on the same circuits and have 1 customer blow his and 3 others' power)
- TheSwordsman 12y ago
  Sounds like Fremont 1...

sciurus 12y ago

If you get the urge to stop paying Amazon, it shouldn't be hard to figure out what you're paying them for. http://docs.aws.amazon.com/awsaccountbilling/latest/aboutv2/getting-viewing-bill.html#view-usage-reports http://docs.aws.amazon.com/awsaccountbilling/latest/aboutv2/...

nl 12y ago

(Fantastic to see you back on HN, BTW)