8 ms·

Have rank and file developers ever tried to form any sort of association to advocate for their own interests, which seem adverse to those of founder types? It

by nugget 12y ago

Have rank and file developers ever tried to form any sort of association to advocate for their own interests, which seem adverse to those of founder types? It would seem like there are a couple hundred thousand tech types in California alone who would prefer not to have compete with a new flood of H1B and other visa holders. I support the type of candidates that this story is about but my fear would be that it's a back end run by the entrenched interests to turn a small pathway into a large one, and a couple years later we awake to find thousands of ''exceptional'' cubical dwellers in Infosys' new offices.

HistoryInAction 12y ago
That is the exact argument against the H-1B re: "highly skilled" requirement. Code monkeys (as distinct from devs) are a very different fish, but DC doesn't know the difference The counter I'd offer is that you should look through the eight criteria as they currently stand: http://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-workers/o-1-individuals-extraordinary-ability-or-achievement/o-1-visa-individuals-extraordinary-ability-or-achievement http://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-workers... If you see obvious hacks for the Infosys types that we can close off, that'd be helpful to discuss here. EDIT: And of course anything resembling a union is verboten among the powers that be in Silicon Valley.
- x0x0 12y ago
  so maybe if you wanted support from devs you should advocate for those changes
- nraynaud 12y ago
  I was thinking along the same lines, a startup devop is a completely different person than the person who customizes Lotus Notes or SAP for a blue chip company. I recently interviewed, and the guy was frightened when I told them I would probably not be at the same company in 5 years. Nope, I work night and day, but I'm burnt after 3 years on the same project, that's how it works. But in those 3 years, I bring the dev team from interns to a professional state, get a new UI out, and take some funding (well, at least I did it twice), and try to spread some values I deem good in the team.
GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
No of course not because whenever somebody whispers 'union' two-thirds of the workforce break out in hives.

by nugget 12y ago

HistoryInAction 12y ago

That is the exact argument against the H-1B re: "highly skilled" requirement. Code monkeys (as distinct from devs) are a very different fish, but DC doesn't know the difference The counter I'd offer is that you should look through the eight criteria as they currently stand: http://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-workers/o-1-individuals-extraordinary-ability-or-achievement/o-1-visa-individuals-extraordinary-ability-or-achievement http://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-workers... If you see obvious hacks for the Infosys types that we can close off, that'd be helpful to discuss here. EDIT: And of course anything resembling a union is verboten among the powers that be in Silicon Valley.

x0x0 12y ago
so maybe if you wanted support from devs you should advocate for those changes
nraynaud 12y ago
I was thinking along the same lines, a startup devop is a completely different person than the person who customizes Lotus Notes or SAP for a blue chip company. I recently interviewed, and the guy was frightened when I told them I would probably not be at the same company in 5 years. Nope, I work night and day, but I'm burnt after 3 years on the same project, that's how it works. But in those 3 years, I bring the dev team from interns to a professional state, get a new UI out, and take some funding (well, at least I did it twice), and try to spread some values I deem good in the team.

GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago

No of course not because whenever somebody whispers 'union' two-thirds of the workforce break out in hives.