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StreetScore scores a street view based on how safe it looks to a human
- sirdogealot 12y agoI remember clicking through those same pictures a few days back and I was under the impression that I was telling the observers what pictures I thought were more beautiful, not safer. Did they just re-label the same data here or is this another separate program?
- sp332 12y agoYup. The data is from here http://streetscore.media.mit.edu/data.html http://streetscore.media.mit.edu/data.html and it's used in all PlacePulse surveys. http://pulse.media.mit.edu/ http://pulse.media.mit.edu/ You can choose which question you want from the big menu at the top.
- jamesbritt 12y agoWhat I would like is something that took street photos and safety info and somehow deduced what visible characteristics correlated with safety. A while back I was reading a mailing list thread where someone claimed that adding more street lighting didn't improve safety. This struck me as bullshit. I did some Googling to dig up some fact to show just how right I was. Apparently, not so right at all. There were assorted studies that showed (or suggested, not sure) that adding more lights might actually make a street more dangerous. They can make it easier for a hidden thief to case a place or a target, and some lights create enough glare that it becomes harder to see past a certain distance. It got me thinking that popular notions of how to judge safety may be very wrong, and that reality may be quite counter-intuitive. Another example: I grew up in a city, lived in apartment buildings. Anyone who had any money moved out of an apartment and moved into a house. Hence, anyplace that was all houses was a good neighborhood. Years later I discovered how totally wrong this was and marveled at how such impressions get formed. Having better evidence about what factors make a location safer, and to what extent one can accurately determine safety by visual inspection, would be very beneficial.
- test431 12y agoI'm using a throwaway account so that I don't inadvertently reveal my location. The area where I live is on the map. I found it very interesting that the safety ratings seemed to be closely correlated with lighting. Street View took pictures of one popular outdoor area near me on a rainy day. Of course, it was deserted due to the weather, so the entire area received safety ratings of around 0. However, on a sunny day, the area is filled with families, and I'm sure that it would have consistently received a 10. Likewise, my building received low ratings when compared to the surrounding area due to the presence of an alley (which is actually a gated entrance). However, no crimes have taken place there for a very long time. An area just up the street received a rating close to a 10, yet armed carjackings have taken place there before. At least from my own (rather anecdotal) experience, it's fascinating that the factors which cause people to perceive something as safe or unsafe can actually be far from reality. Anyway, StreetScore is an Awesome piece of research from the ML. I'm interested in seeing the direction that it's headed.
- zheshishei 12y agoI'm confident that incorporating pictures of the same place at different times/days (like Google Map's wayback machine) would boost the accuracy, but I'm not too sure how you would need to change the model.
- rooneel 12y agoThat's really interesting. I remember when this [1] article came out, showing the difference in streets' income level with the greenery in the street, I found it amazing. Once I started thinking about it, I figured it should have been rather obvious. So, the way to do would be to first figure if there's more crime in lower-income streets (likely. Right? No data to support me here) Then using the 'foliage detection algorithm', which you can use on LIDAR data available from USGS, which urban neighborhoods have less, and more crime. Do some tests, to see if your hypothesis holds and water at all, and it should be a solid test. http://mashable.com/2012/07/18/google-maps-income-inequality/ http://mashable.com/2012/07/18/google-maps-income-inequality...
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- JumpCrisscross 12y agoWould be fascinating to see how these data correlate with crime statistics, in particular for violent crimes. Perhaps more fascinating would be if changes in these scores could actually predict changes in crime levels. I'm sure the authors–or their colleagues-are already working on this.
- awhitty 12y agoThis isn't the best visualization, but I just spent a couple minutes overlaying the New York map with Trulia's crime risk heat map[1,2]. I think the important takeaway is that the green dots visible in the red areas can be interpreted as false negatives for danger. Of course, this is a really, really rough sketch so take it with a grain of salt. [1]: http://www.trulia.com/local/new-york-ny/tiles:1|points:1_crime http://www.trulia.com/local/new-york-ny/tiles:1|points:1_cri... [2]: http://imgur.com/HOuJFKZ http://imgur.com/HOuJFKZ
- jrockway 12y agoThe crime map seems awfully suspicious to me. It appears to be more of a population density map than anything. All the red areas south of 34th St. just look like common places for people to hang out (and drink alcohol). I think what people really want is a crime map that plots crimes committed at random, rather than drinking buddies beating each other up. I also took a look at vermont, and the red areas were because of things like "traffic stop" or "e911 hangup".
- icommenttoo 12y agoCheck this map instead http://i.imgur.com/QwvATt1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QwvATt1.jpg The authors already did that analysis, but they incorporated population, area, age, income and perception of safety into a statistical model used to predict violent crimes. It is important to go beyond the bivariate case here. Comparing streetscore to crime is too simple to be meaningful if other co-variates are not taken into account. For the full description (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0068400 http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjourna...)
- jleader 12y agoCorrected headline: "How safe would humans say this street looks?" Not the same question at all. While the research into computer vision and machine learning is interesting, as a human I'd like to know when my intuition about safety is wrong, not just have a machine that can mimic my intuition.
- HillRat 12y agoUnfortunately, once you place the imprimatur of machine learning upon it, people will tend to conflate "perceived safety" with "actual safety." At the extreme, it becomes a way to create an apparent but false confirmation of the prejudices of the crowd. This is one of those rare cases in computer science research where there is an actual ethical component to the work being done; while machine scoring landscapes according to their relative attractiveness is fairly harmless, scoring them according to "perceived safety" without mentioning the obvious limitations thereof is heading towards trouble. As I recall, there was a crowdsourced app last year that supposedly would inform its users if they were in "bad" neighborhoods (using the opinions of other users to tag areas), and it received a wave of criticism for essentially similar reasons.
- duderific 12y agoIf it was crowdsourced, why would you need an app to know if you were in a bad neighborhood? Your perception should be roughly similar to those who had contributed their opinions as crowd source data. Kind of like needing an app to tell you it's raining when you're standing in a downpour.
- notahacker 12y agoThe act of using the app can increase that perception though; if you get mugged whilst checking your smartphone in the middle of the street it's a pretty good indicator the area isn't safe :-)
- notahacker 12y ago"Would humans say" is also subtly different from "do humans actually think". The Williamsburg bridge in NY has a particularly odd pattern where pictures showing steelwork have particularly "safe" ratings and pictures showing river panoramas have extremely low ratings. Maybe HNers other than me have an idea of why that might be, but I find it hard to believe the steelwork is incredibly reassuring and the view of Manhattan behind utterly terrifying as the polarized figures would have you believe
- nacho_weekend 12y agoInteresting program. This info needs to be taken with a grain of salt, or somehow correlate to existing statistical information on certain neighborhoods - I doubt ~400 W 63rd Street in Chicago is a 9.1. The theory of it is great for visualization, and I'd love to see more incorporated data in the future.
- bluthru 12y agoThey should add an urban planner to the team.
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- mcdan 12y agoOne thing they should consider doing is using the average of the surrounding points to rise or lower the score of a particular spot. For instance, near where I live there a number of examples where there is a green dot on one side of the street and a red on the other, just down the block they reverse, this doesn't make any objective sense at all.
- pimlottc 12y agoI'd be cautious about that. You can easily have a dark foreboding alleyway just off a bright, well-lit street. Safety gradients (perceived and actual) can be quite steep.
- ChikkaChiChi 12y agoI guess this would be a good data point in building a "safety" score, but by no means would I consider this telling me if an area was "safe." Crime statistics, thoroughfare, property value trends, population density and other environmental factors are just a few of the things I would consider looking at as well if I was compiling data. Interesting start to an interesting question. I'm just not comfortable with this "judging a book by its cover" mentality to this...
- suprgeek 12y agoHow safe does this street "look" to a Human? NOT How safe is this street? Very important distinction - I would suggest changing the name of the project to "PerceivedStreetScore". What is now needed is actually part 2 of this project - one that pull records from City/County/Federal crime stats, overlays them with a Map and then actually produces a "ActualCrimeScore" for each of these highlighted streets. Then compare the two scores and write an (excellent) definitive paper titled "Factors that influence Human perceptions of safety - Lessons for City Planners"
- tetrep 12y agoDon't forget to factor in time as well, it would be accurate to judge a high crime street as safe during the day if all of the crime happened during the night.
- Rolpa 12y agoNot to mention that one street may very well be safer for one individual compared to another depending on any number of variant factors - race, gender, build, etc.
- brownbat 12y agoI was expecting a traffic fatality map, something like this: http://riskyroads.org/ http://riskyroads.org/
- icommenttoo 12y agoIf you look at the 2013 paper from this same group you will find that this is exactly what they did (http://pulse.media.mit.edu/papers/ http://pulse.media.mit.edu/papers/). Even further, they used geospatial statistics techniques to control for the effects of the income, area, and population in an area, and hence, developed a model that incorporated not only perception, but also demographics, when predicting the location of homicides.
- Houshalter 12y agoFrom the site's FAQ: >StreetScore is a machine learning algorithm that predicts how safe the image of a street looks to a human observer. We trained StreetScore to predict perceived safety using a 'training dataset' consisting of 3,000 street views from New York and Boston and their rankings for perceived safety obtained from Place Pulse — a crowdsourced survey.
- jermaink 12y agoYou should also checkout project Pantheon: http://pantheon.media.mit.edu http://pantheon.media.mit.edu
- Spooky23 12y agoIt's a good start. With individual pictures it's sketchy, but on the aggregate the map I looked at trends with my own perception of the area, generally speaking.
- infinitebattery 12y agoBeing from Detroit, I found the map particularly interesting to look at. Personally not a fan of the UI currently. However there could be a lot done with the itself- such as providing safer routes by utilizing the data.
- hawkharris 12y agoIt's actually well understood which landscape features contribute to or prevent crime. Things like sidewalks and bright street lamps have a positive effect (no surprise there). Bushes, certain fences and other objects that obstruct the view from the road can have a negative effect. As a reporter I once did a ride-along with a police sergeant who took it upon himself to cut a set of hedges (with the property owner's permission, of course) that helped facilitate drug deals and prostitution. The point is, I wonder if the machine learning approach used here is overly complex. After all, the set of environmental factors affecting crime is so well understood and thoroughly researched that you could focus on detecting tried-and-true things such as sidewalks. This would entail applying a clear set of rules instead of using the relatively unsupervised approach with training data. To be fair, ML is a complicated subject and I'm not an expert; maybe their approach draws heavily on these things. EDIT: I understand that perception, rather than the actual crime rate, is the focus of this research. Still, there seems to be a tight correlation between the features that are known to be dangerous and those that appear sketchy. The major ones - an absence of lights, few walkways, etc. - are obvious to most pedestrians.
- jamesbritt 12y agoThings like sidewalks and bright street lamps have a positive effect (no surprise there). There may be some surprise there. The correlation between street lighting and safety is not obvious. "In 2008, PG&E Corp., the San Francisco-based energy company, reviewed the research and found 'either that there is no link between lighting and crime, or that any link is too subtle or complex to have been evident in the data.'" http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-02-24/turn-down-the-city-lights-and-make-streets-safer http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-02-24/turn-down-t... http://www.popcenter.org/responses/street_lighting/2 http://www.popcenter.org/responses/street_lighting/2
- nisse72 12y agoSomewhat related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8005529 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8005529
- nateguchi2 12y agoThe police in the UK actually have a map of all crimes that have taken place recently in a neighbourhood [1], I think this is a better way of going about the issue, crime rates seem to correlate more closely to safety than how a place looks, I think. [1] http://www.police.uk/ http://www.police.uk/
- icommenttoo 12y agoI think you fail to understand the point. The point is not too replace a map of crime, but to help develop variables that can help explain the location of crime. Look at what they did in their 2013 paper (http://pulse.media.mit.edu/papers/ http://pulse.media.mit.edu/papers/) that is exactly that. The problem they are trying to solve is that there are no good measures of perception to evaluate whether the environment affects crime or not. This is an old question for which there has been much research, as it is explained in the point 7 of their FAQ. http://streetscore.media.mit.edu/faq.html http://streetscore.media.mit.edu/faq.html
- mistaken 12y agoIt seems to classify open areas as unsafe and photos with lots of variation as safe.
- nkozyra 12y agoHow badly does gentrification break this system? After all, any cred you have as a trust fund hipster is lost if your home looks like it's in a "safe" part of town ;)