I don't think patents should apply to any product only to methods of creating products and internal practices. The original point of patents were to get ideas

I don't think patents should apply to any product only to methods of creating products and internal practices. The original point of patents were to get ideas into public knowledge. If you are selling a product it is public knowledge and we have no reason to offer a patent. If the idea isn't very novel it will be easily reverse engineered if it is novel then it won't be for some time.