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The difference is that lots of ISPs have invested in IPTV networks, and those are designed not to eat your bandwidth and clog the network.

by guiomie 12y ago

pyre 12y ago
Netflix has offered to setup devices within the ISP network that will cache the videos so that the ISP's users will stream from the cache rather than directly from Netflix. The ISPs have refused (presumably because it competes with their own offerings). Everyone pretty much agrees that traffic over the ISP's internal networks aren't really an issue; the big issue is the traffic over the network connection points. There are solutions to alleviate this, but the ISPs aren't really interested in these solutions. They feel that their monopoly position gives them the power to dictate terms to everyone else, effectively holding their (paying) customers hostage for ransom.
- twoodfin 12y ago
  Everyone pretty much agrees that traffic over the ISP's internal networks aren't really an issue Everyone agrees with this? How did we get to that conclusion? Netflix is 1/3 of primetime internet traffic. If they double their average bitrate * average viewing audience in, say, two years, that won't be a problem for ISPs' internal networks? They're that over-provisioned?
  - dtparr 12y ago
    Obviously, you can't say something that broad for all ISPs in all locations. But in a recent dispute Verizon posted a graphic[1] showing that the max average peak utilization in their network was 65% of capacity. So if Netflix is 1/3 of that (say 22% capacity) and it doubles their average bitrate to all customers, it would still not saturate the link. [1] http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/verizon-netflix-chart-640x498.png http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/verizo...
wmf 12y ago
VOD probably uses just as much bandwidth per stream as Netflix and trying to compete with Netflix using linear IPTV is like trying to turn back time.
- guiomie 12y ago
  The VOD traffic runs on a different VLAN tho. It has it's own network.
  - wmf 12y ago
    Building out a separate network for IPTV is pretty wasteful, and then not letting customers use it how they see fit is just asking for these kinds of problems.

The difference is that lots of ISPs have invested in IPTV networks, and those are designed not to eat your bandwidth and clog the network.

by guiomie 12y ago

The difference is that lots of ISPs have invested in IPTV networks, and those are designed not to eat your bandwidth and clog the network.

pyre 12y ago

Netflix has offered to setup devices within the ISP network that will cache the videos so that the ISP's users will stream from the cache rather than directly from Netflix. The ISPs have refused (presumably because it competes with their own offerings). Everyone pretty much agrees that traffic over the ISP's internal networks aren't really an issue; the big issue is the traffic over the network connection points. There are solutions to alleviate this, but the ISPs aren't really interested in these solutions. They feel that their monopoly position gives them the power to dictate terms to everyone else, effectively holding their (paying) customers hostage for ransom.

twoodfin 12y ago
Everyone pretty much agrees that traffic over the ISP's internal networks aren't really an issue Everyone agrees with this? How did we get to that conclusion? Netflix is 1/3 of primetime internet traffic. If they double their average bitrate * average viewing audience in, say, two years, that won't be a problem for ISPs' internal networks? They're that over-provisioned?
- dtparr 12y ago
  Obviously, you can't say something that broad for all ISPs in all locations. But in a recent dispute Verizon posted a graphic[1] showing that the max average peak utilization in their network was 65% of capacity. So if Netflix is 1/3 of that (say 22% capacity) and it doubles their average bitrate to all customers, it would still not saturate the link. [1] http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/verizon-netflix-chart-640x498.png http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/verizo...

wmf 12y ago

VOD probably uses just as much bandwidth per stream as Netflix and trying to compete with Netflix using linear IPTV is like trying to turn back time.

guiomie 12y ago
The VOD traffic runs on a different VLAN tho. It has it's own network.
- wmf 12y ago
  Building out a separate network for IPTV is pretty wasteful, and then not letting customers use it how they see fit is just asking for these kinds of problems.