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Things Removed in Snow Leopard

18 points by blasdel 17y ago

dlsspy 17y ago
All of these lists leave out the only one that matters to me: ZFS
- blasdel 17y ago
  ZFS wasn't removed -- it was never added.
  - dlsspy 17y ago
    ZFS certainly was in Leopard, though crippled in a couple of ways. The ZFS builds from macosforge had some degree of Apple support but that was not official, if that's what you're thinking. A lot of development went on inside of Apple for having ZFS work, but it's seemingly stopped without any official word. For a while, it was server only (though I find it extremely useful on every day machines). Ironically, the company with the famous 1984 ad has very aggressively been removing links like this from their site: http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:n4KSNLxIxtEJ:developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man8/zfs.util.8.html+site:apple.com+zfs+-site:lists.apple.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:n4KSNLxIxtEJ:developer.... http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:wJnNvaB52NsJ:developer.apple.com/DOCUMENTATION/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man8/zpool.8.html+site:apple.com+zfs+-site:lists.apple.com&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:wJnNvaB52NsJ:developer.... http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:8YjVIC0ZHfUJ:www.apple.com/lae/server/macosx/snowleopard/+site:apple.com+zfs+-site:lists.apple.com+-site:www.opensource.apple.com+-site:discussions.apple.com&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:8YjVIC0ZHfUJ:www.apple.... These still mention ZFS (one on snow leopard): http://www.apple.com/uk/xserve/specs.html http://www.apple.com/uk/xserve/specs.html https://support.apple.com/specs/xserve/Xserve_Early_2008.html https://support.apple.com/specs/xserve/Xserve_Early_2008.htm... http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:yajtUrN1i8IJ:images.apple.com/server/macosx/docs/L355782B_SvrFund_TB.pdf+site:apple.com+zfs+-site:lists.apple.com+-site:www.opensource.apple.com+-site:discussions.apple.com&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:yajtUrN1i8IJ:images.app...
jwilliams 17y ago
More on the ZFS situation http://storagemojo.com/2009/08/31/why-did-apple-drop-zfs/ http://storagemojo.com/2009/08/31/why-did-apple-drop-zfs/
- blasdel 17y ago
  Sun wrote the CDDL to be intentionally incompatible with the GPL, and a lot of the motivation for that came directly from engineers working on Solaris who were opposed to their work being copylefted. btrfs is awesome and stands to completely eclipse ZFS -- but don't pretend for a second that it ain't provincial. It's designed directly for Linux's powerful VFS layer and would be a bitch to port elsewhere.
icodestuff 17y ago
I can't believe they removed creator code support deliberately. What the hell were they thinking? Or is the better question: What the hell were they drinking?

18 points by blasdel 17y ago

dlsspy 17y ago

All of these lists leave out the only one that matters to me: ZFS

blasdel 17y ago
ZFS wasn't removed -- it was never added.
- dlsspy 17y ago
  ZFS certainly was in Leopard, though crippled in a couple of ways. The ZFS builds from macosforge had some degree of Apple support but that was not official, if that's what you're thinking. A lot of development went on inside of Apple for having ZFS work, but it's seemingly stopped without any official word. For a while, it was server only (though I find it extremely useful on every day machines). Ironically, the company with the famous 1984 ad has very aggressively been removing links like this from their site: http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:n4KSNLxIxtEJ:developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man8/zfs.util.8.html+site:apple.com+zfs+-site:lists.apple.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:n4KSNLxIxtEJ:developer.... http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:wJnNvaB52NsJ:developer.apple.com/DOCUMENTATION/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man8/zpool.8.html+site:apple.com+zfs+-site:lists.apple.com&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:wJnNvaB52NsJ:developer.... http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:8YjVIC0ZHfUJ:www.apple.com/lae/server/macosx/snowleopard/+site:apple.com+zfs+-site:lists.apple.com+-site:www.opensource.apple.com+-site:discussions.apple.com&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:8YjVIC0ZHfUJ:www.apple.... These still mention ZFS (one on snow leopard): http://www.apple.com/uk/xserve/specs.html http://www.apple.com/uk/xserve/specs.html https://support.apple.com/specs/xserve/Xserve_Early_2008.html https://support.apple.com/specs/xserve/Xserve_Early_2008.htm... http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:yajtUrN1i8IJ:images.apple.com/server/macosx/docs/L355782B_SvrFund_TB.pdf+site:apple.com+zfs+-site:lists.apple.com+-site:www.opensource.apple.com+-site:discussions.apple.com&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:yajtUrN1i8IJ:images.app...

jwilliams 17y ago

More on the ZFS situation http://storagemojo.com/2009/08/31/why-did-apple-drop-zfs/ http://storagemojo.com/2009/08/31/why-did-apple-drop-zfs/

blasdel 17y ago
Sun wrote the CDDL to be intentionally incompatible with the GPL, and a lot of the motivation for that came directly from engineers working on Solaris who were opposed to their work being copylefted. btrfs is awesome and stands to completely eclipse ZFS -- but don't pretend for a second that it ain't provincial. It's designed directly for Linux's powerful VFS layer and would be a bitch to port elsewhere.

icodestuff 17y ago

I can't believe they removed creator code support deliberately. What the hell were they thinking? Or is the better question: What the hell were they drinking?