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'C64 games' is a subset of 'arbitrary applications'. You are a member of the set of Apple fanboys.

by dejb 17y ago

unalone 17y ago
Can we hold back on namecalling? You made a good point without having to sully it with an attack.
- dejb 17y ago
  I couldn't resist. The same person had another post of equal logical value in defence of the app store system. It seems like there are some people who see it as their role to defend Mac products and in particular the iPhone no matter what the situation is. It wouldn't surprise me if Apple had a team of paid commentors for this sort of thing. Comments like these have that sort of feel to them. Either way I think that sort of generic, knee-jerk and irational type of post is deserving of a label such as fanboy.
  - jstevens85 17y ago
    I don't think they're defending the system, simple pointing out that the situation isn't as dire as people seem to suggest. Sure, it sucks that you can't run BASIC code, but how many people buying the app would actually make any use out of it? There seems to be a huge number of anti-Apple reactionaries who condemn every little mistake Apple makes, without acknowledging the positive things it has brought to the industry. It used to be impossible for a single person or a small team to make any money out of the mobile market. Apple changed that. Of course, that doesn't justify its app store policies.
    - unalone 17y ago
      The way I see it, though perhaps this is too forgiving: Apple attempted a major revolutionary thing here. The App Store is a fairly enormous accomplishment. Yes, it's very messed up, and yes, I hope it fixes up soon, but the fact remains that they attempted something incredible, and considering how unprecedented it is, the fact that it's running this well a little over a year after launch astounds me. iTunes Store took longer than this to stop sucking.
    - dejb 17y ago
      Presumably in this case people would make use of it to run all those games for the c64 that were written in basic. That's the whole point in case you aren't familiar with the situation. > There seems to be a huge number of anti-Apple reactionaries who condemn every little mistake Apple makes I think that most people here are criticising the app store restrictions solely. But with the ridiculous level of hype amount hype surrounding the iPhone, it isn't surprising that many would seek to balance things by pointing out its shortcomings.
derefr 17y ago
"C64 games" is a closed set for which no new members are being created. All C64 games ever created could be distributed along with the emulator without making it the largest app in the store. Even if this weren't true, a whitelist of the hashes of known C64 games would suffice to ensure that every C64 game anyone would ever download a C64-game-playing-program for would be covered. Thus, it is not, in fact, a subset of arbitrary applications. Apple has rules for what goes into their store, that they own, on their servers, that they run. You may not like them, they may be completely arbitrary, but it is always your option to not follow them. There are no consequences to jailbreaking your phone. There is no reason to whine at Apple for not allowing X application into their store when X is something, like a Turing-complete environment, that only people who are more likely than not to have jailbroken their phones in the first place would want. Jailbreaking is simply the software-eqivalent of voiding your warranty, of saying "I'll take it from here, and take responsibility for anything I do to the phone or the network." If Apple could, they would likely put a switch in the settings saying "open phone to SSH access." However, providing such a switch would be sanctioning the usage of the switch, which would mean that they wouldn't be disclaiming responsibility for your actions on AT&T's precious network. Jailbreaking lets them do just that, and is an amiable position for all. Apple "fights back" just enough to make AT&T happy, but doesn't actively target anyone who has jailbroken their phone, and the jailbreakers get a pocket-sized computer with just enough continued effort to show that they really do want to keep their phone "on their terms" (because they could always let it lapse back to Apple's care simply by forgetting to re-break it after an update.) The App Store is the place where everything is Apple's fault. Program crashed? Apple's fault. Inappropriate content? Apple's fault. Worm that DDoSes sites using AT&T's network? Apple's fault—and this is especially important, because that determines who AT&T gets to sue. If AT&T finds out that you jailbroke your phone and got the worm off Cydia, though, they get to sue you (and they probably won't bother since you're not worth anything.)
- SwellJoe 17y ago
  The App Store is the place where everything is Apple's fault. Program crashed? Apple's fault. Inappropriate content? Apple's fault. Unable to use my phone in ways that I want? Apple's fault.

'C64 games' is a subset of 'arbitrary applications'. You are a member of the set of Apple fanboys.

by dejb 17y ago

'C64 games' is a subset of 'arbitrary applications'. You are a member of the set of Apple fanboys.

unalone 17y ago

Can we hold back on namecalling? You made a good point without having to sully it with an attack.

dejb 17y ago
I couldn't resist. The same person had another post of equal logical value in defence of the app store system. It seems like there are some people who see it as their role to defend Mac products and in particular the iPhone no matter what the situation is. It wouldn't surprise me if Apple had a team of paid commentors for this sort of thing. Comments like these have that sort of feel to them. Either way I think that sort of generic, knee-jerk and irational type of post is deserving of a label such as fanboy.
- jstevens85 17y ago
  I don't think they're defending the system, simple pointing out that the situation isn't as dire as people seem to suggest. Sure, it sucks that you can't run BASIC code, but how many people buying the app would actually make any use out of it? There seems to be a huge number of anti-Apple reactionaries who condemn every little mistake Apple makes, without acknowledging the positive things it has brought to the industry. It used to be impossible for a single person or a small team to make any money out of the mobile market. Apple changed that. Of course, that doesn't justify its app store policies.
  - unalone 17y ago
    The way I see it, though perhaps this is too forgiving: Apple attempted a major revolutionary thing here. The App Store is a fairly enormous accomplishment. Yes, it's very messed up, and yes, I hope it fixes up soon, but the fact remains that they attempted something incredible, and considering how unprecedented it is, the fact that it's running this well a little over a year after launch astounds me. iTunes Store took longer than this to stop sucking.
  - dejb 17y ago
    Presumably in this case people would make use of it to run all those games for the c64 that were written in basic. That's the whole point in case you aren't familiar with the situation. > There seems to be a huge number of anti-Apple reactionaries who condemn every little mistake Apple makes I think that most people here are criticising the app store restrictions solely. But with the ridiculous level of hype amount hype surrounding the iPhone, it isn't surprising that many would seek to balance things by pointing out its shortcomings.

derefr 17y ago

"C64 games" is a closed set for which no new members are being created. All C64 games ever created could be distributed along with the emulator without making it the largest app in the store. Even if this weren't true, a whitelist of the hashes of known C64 games would suffice to ensure that every C64 game anyone would ever download a C64-game-playing-program for would be covered. Thus, it is not, in fact, a subset of arbitrary applications. Apple has rules for what goes into their store, that they own, on their servers, that they run. You may not like them, they may be completely arbitrary, but it is always your option to not follow them. There are no consequences to jailbreaking your phone. There is no reason to whine at Apple for not allowing X application into their store when X is something, like a Turing-complete environment, that only people who are more likely than not to have jailbroken their phones in the first place would want. Jailbreaking is simply the software-eqivalent of voiding your warranty, of saying "I'll take it from here, and take responsibility for anything I do to the phone or the network." If Apple could, they would likely put a switch in the settings saying "open phone to SSH access." However, providing such a switch would be sanctioning the usage of the switch, which would mean that they wouldn't be disclaiming responsibility for your actions on AT&T's precious network. Jailbreaking lets them do just that, and is an amiable position for all. Apple "fights back" just enough to make AT&T happy, but doesn't actively target anyone who has jailbroken their phone, and the jailbreakers get a pocket-sized computer with just enough continued effort to show that they really do want to keep their phone "on their terms" (because they could always let it lapse back to Apple's care simply by forgetting to re-break it after an update.) The App Store is the place where everything is Apple's fault. Program crashed? Apple's fault. Inappropriate content? Apple's fault. Worm that DDoSes sites using AT&T's network? Apple's fault—and this is especially important, because that determines who AT&T gets to sue. If AT&T finds out that you jailbroke your phone and got the worm off Cydia, though, they get to sue you (and they probably won't bother since you're not worth anything.)

SwellJoe 17y ago
The App Store is the place where everything is Apple's fault. Program crashed? Apple's fault. Inappropriate content? Apple's fault. Unable to use my phone in ways that I want? Apple's fault.