I went to the demo in Amsterdam, and that wasn't the best venue in town: low ceiling, bad lighting, a weird and incredibly distracting echo in the microphone, a

I went to the demo in Amsterdam, and that wasn't the best venue in town: low ceiling, bad lighting, a weird and incredibly distracting echo in the microphone, and worst of all, it was incredibly hot. The talk was nice, although most of what he told was in his "evidence-based scheduling" article(http://joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/10/26.html http://joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/10/26.html). He's really a good speaker, although he did seem a bit groggy. I was glad to escape to the fresh november air, but fogbugz is in fact pretty good - it's also available hosted, and free for teams up to two people (startups!). I'm using it on my own, and I love it!