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I feel this is also very relevant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Paul_Neil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Paul_Neil Police took a photo wit

by bithush 12y ago

I feel this is also very relevant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Paul_Neil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Paul_Neil Police took a photo with a "swirl" effect of a paedophiles face and reversed it to reveal a very usable picture. So good in fact he was found and arrested.

danepowell 12y ago
He wasn't just a pedophile, he was a child molester.
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- frogpelt 12y ago
  "just a pedophile" A phrase I never thought I'd see.
  - chimeracoder 12y ago
    A pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children, whether on not he/she acts on that desire in any way. A child molester is someone who actually engages in inappropriate sexual activity with a child. A child molester may or may not be a pedophile, for what it's worth (one may molest a child for reasons other than sexual attraction - even when you look at rape of adults, in many/most cases sexual attraction is not the primary motivation of the rapist[0]). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivation_for_rape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivation_for_rape
  - izzydata 12y ago
    Someone who is homosexual isn't any more inclined to molest or rape someone of their own sex than a pedophile is to molest or rape a child. More on topic about censoring important information. I'm not entirely sure about this, but I feel like I've seen images where the thumbnail was retained from a previous version. Even at 32x32 there might be some way to expand it and gather some kind of information from its pixelated form even after the actual image was censored.
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    - gknoy 12y ago
      Given that most thumbnails are done with resampling to scale, I imagine this attack would work similarly there as well.
    - DigitalJack 12y ago
      "Someone who is homosexual isn't any more inclined to molest or rape someone of their own sex than a pedophile is to molest or rape a child." I'm sure you meant something about the proclivity to commit rape or molestation, but all this statement does is say there is a positive correlation between the two groups (and no citation or explanation of reasoning either). Your statement would still be true if both groups had a large increase in probability of rape or molestation, vs the non-homosexual and/or non-pedophile.
    - mscarborough 12y ago
      What is the relation between homosexuals and pedophiles?
      - izzydata 12y ago
        They are both people with no relation to whether or not they will molest someone else they are attracted to. You could also just throw heterosexuals in there to be safe. I suppose if you wanted to avoid comparing a sexual orientation to something that isn't you could maybe use something like being attracted to people who wear glasses. People who find other people who wear glasses attractive has no relation to whether or not they will molest them.
        StavrosK 12y ago
        I'm with you 100% on the whole issue, and believe that pedophilia isn't any less ethical than homosexuality is, but I do feel that a sexually repressed person who cannot release their sexual urges is more likely to rape someone than a person who regularly has sex/relationships/etc, regardless of sexual preference. Maybe not very much more likely, but it's definitely not less, and probably not equal.
  - sliverstorm 12y ago
    Pedophilia in itself isn't a crime. Well, unless we've started prosecuting thought-crime. I could have missed that update.
    - reinhardt 12y ago
      Prosecution of downloading pedo material is as close as it gets to thought-crime.
      - sliverstorm 12y ago
        Similar to how downloading some else's bank account into yours is practically thought-crime? "But officer, I was only shuffling bits!" isn't a defense.
        jdong 12y ago
        I don't see how robbing someones bank account is comparable to downloading outlawed pornography.
        propater 12y ago
        Hoarding illegal material is a crime (and not a thought crime.) We call it 'recel' in French. Not sure what is the legal term in English, 'fencing' is argotic, right?
        jdong 12y ago
        Possessing illegal bits is kind of a basic example of thought crime.
        sliverstorm 12y ago
        Right, that's what I'm saying about the bank account. If child pornography really is just bits, then the same should go for your bank account. When you "illegally" increase your bank account it's just bits, right? Or how about classified information. Is it thought crime to have classified information you aren't allowed to have? "But it's only bits, how can bits be illegal?"
jebus989 12y ago
Police == 4chan?
- exelius 12y ago
  Yeah, basically. 4chan's admins have been working with the police for many years because of the questionable shit that gets posted on /b/ (child porn, murder threats/evidence, suicidal posts, etc.) They would have been shut down years ago if they weren't cooperating.
  - jebus989 12y ago
    The way I've heard this story in the past was specifically that anon did the unswirl and then tipped off the police. But seeing as that isn't mentioned on wiki (and not uber keen to google about), I guess it's probably not the case.
    - seanflyon 12y ago
      In the modern world we have a new class of difficult to obtain information. I know how to find the answer to my question, but not without exposing myself to information that I do not want.
    - makomk 12y ago
      Someone linked the relevant case elsewhere in the discussion, and apparently it was a computer expert working for the German police that did the unswirling (which is about what I remember from the news at the time): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Paul_Neil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Paul_Neil
  - varkson 12y ago
    Going on around '09 it was pretty common to have pornography posted with the same type of swirl or other manipulations. It was a game to undo it, using a particular piece of software.
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topdownjimmy 12y ago
Also relevant? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3xd8bXlzeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3xd8bXlzeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYubZoycACw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYubZoycACw

by bithush 12y ago

danepowell 12y ago

He wasn't just a pedophile, he was a child molester.

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frogpelt 12y ago
"just a pedophile" A phrase I never thought I'd see.
- chimeracoder 12y ago
  A pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children, whether on not he/she acts on that desire in any way. A child molester is someone who actually engages in inappropriate sexual activity with a child. A child molester may or may not be a pedophile, for what it's worth (one may molest a child for reasons other than sexual attraction - even when you look at rape of adults, in many/most cases sexual attraction is not the primary motivation of the rapist[0]). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivation_for_rape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivation_for_rape
- izzydata 12y ago
  Someone who is homosexual isn't any more inclined to molest or rape someone of their own sex than a pedophile is to molest or rape a child. More on topic about censoring important information. I'm not entirely sure about this, but I feel like I've seen images where the thumbnail was retained from a previous version. Even at 32x32 there might be some way to expand it and gather some kind of information from its pixelated form even after the actual image was censored.
  - deleted 12y ago
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  - gknoy 12y ago
    Given that most thumbnails are done with resampling to scale, I imagine this attack would work similarly there as well.
  - DigitalJack 12y ago
    "Someone who is homosexual isn't any more inclined to molest or rape someone of their own sex than a pedophile is to molest or rape a child." I'm sure you meant something about the proclivity to commit rape or molestation, but all this statement does is say there is a positive correlation between the two groups (and no citation or explanation of reasoning either). Your statement would still be true if both groups had a large increase in probability of rape or molestation, vs the non-homosexual and/or non-pedophile.
  - mscarborough 12y ago
    What is the relation between homosexuals and pedophiles?
    - izzydata 12y ago
      They are both people with no relation to whether or not they will molest someone else they are attracted to. You could also just throw heterosexuals in there to be safe. I suppose if you wanted to avoid comparing a sexual orientation to something that isn't you could maybe use something like being attracted to people who wear glasses. People who find other people who wear glasses attractive has no relation to whether or not they will molest them.
      - StavrosK 12y ago
        I'm with you 100% on the whole issue, and believe that pedophilia isn't any less ethical than homosexuality is, but I do feel that a sexually repressed person who cannot release their sexual urges is more likely to rape someone than a person who regularly has sex/relationships/etc, regardless of sexual preference. Maybe not very much more likely, but it's definitely not less, and probably not equal.
- sliverstorm 12y ago
  Pedophilia in itself isn't a crime. Well, unless we've started prosecuting thought-crime. I could have missed that update.
  - reinhardt 12y ago
    Prosecution of downloading pedo material is as close as it gets to thought-crime.
    - sliverstorm 12y ago
      Similar to how downloading some else's bank account into yours is practically thought-crime? "But officer, I was only shuffling bits!" isn't a defense.
      - jdong 12y ago
        I don't see how robbing someones bank account is comparable to downloading outlawed pornography.
        propater 12y ago
        Hoarding illegal material is a crime (and not a thought crime.) We call it 'recel' in French. Not sure what is the legal term in English, 'fencing' is argotic, right?
        jdong 12y ago
        Possessing illegal bits is kind of a basic example of thought crime.
        sliverstorm 12y ago
        Right, that's what I'm saying about the bank account. If child pornography really is just bits, then the same should go for your bank account. When you "illegally" increase your bank account it's just bits, right? Or how about classified information. Is it thought crime to have classified information you aren't allowed to have? "But it's only bits, how can bits be illegal?"

jebus989 12y ago

Police == 4chan?

exelius 12y ago
Yeah, basically. 4chan's admins have been working with the police for many years because of the questionable shit that gets posted on /b/ (child porn, murder threats/evidence, suicidal posts, etc.) They would have been shut down years ago if they weren't cooperating.
- jebus989 12y ago
  The way I've heard this story in the past was specifically that anon did the unswirl and then tipped off the police. But seeing as that isn't mentioned on wiki (and not uber keen to google about), I guess it's probably not the case.
  - seanflyon 12y ago
    In the modern world we have a new class of difficult to obtain information. I know how to find the answer to my question, but not without exposing myself to information that I do not want.
  - makomk 12y ago
    Someone linked the relevant case elsewhere in the discussion, and apparently it was a computer expert working for the German police that did the unswirling (which is about what I remember from the news at the time): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Paul_Neil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Paul_Neil
- varkson 12y ago
  Going on around '09 it was pretty common to have pornography posted with the same type of swirl or other manipulations. It was a game to undo it, using a particular piece of software.

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topdownjimmy 12y ago

Also relevant? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3xd8bXlzeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3xd8bXlzeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYubZoycACw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYubZoycACw