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Some ludicrous statistics: "In a recent court filing, the government disclosed that there were 468,749 KST nominations in 2013" The government is saying that t

Some ludicrous statistics: "In a recent court filing, the government disclosed that there were 468,749 KST nominations in 2013" The government is saying that there are ~1,500 known or suspected terrorists per million population. Or in other words, the city of San Francisco is home to ~1,250 known or suspected terrorists. or to put it another way. That there are 1 known or suspected terrorists every 3 city blocks in San Francisco 468749/313.9e6837442/(46.87/(636.5581/52802))

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cryoshon 12y ago
We've known that they are delusionally paranoid for quite a while. This is just another piece of evidence to prove that claim.
HillRat 12y ago
Technically, it's more like 167 terrorists per million. The TSDB is a global database that is a subset of TIDE plus domestic names. TIDE is probably about 1/3 again larger than TSDB, with news reports pegging TIDE's size at about 875,000 names. If we assume that terrorists (or, as the source document likes to term them, "TERRORISTS") are confined to persons over the age of 15 (only true in the general case, I'm sad to say), then the database contains .017% of the targeted world population. An interesting question is whether TSDB and TIDE can even actually track the majority of militants worldwide -- for example, your average ISIS fighter or Donetsk militiaman, as opposed to terrorists seeking to carry out attacks in non-combat areas. The idea that there are 875K al-Qa'ida-style terrorists working worldwide wouldn't pass the laugh test with most analysts. Consider that ISIS, which is either a very large terrorist group or a very small conventional army, has a personnel list somewhere between 10K and 20K, and the Pakistani Taliban is thought to have between 5K-10K fighters. The size of the TSDB, even if it were a strict superset of all actively anti-American terrorists and militants in the world, is likely an order of magnitude too large.
- DINKDINK 12y ago
  Good counter point. I assumed all KSTs were US citizens. As far as I'm aware, that probability isn't divulged.
  - HillRat 12y ago
    According to news reports, about 5% of names in TSDB are AMCITS or LPRs, though it appears that share may be rising relative to the overall growth of the list.
anigbrowl 12y ago
That's 468,749 people in the world, not in the United States. Why did you assume that that was relative to US population? So in the correct context of the global population, that's about 66 terrorists per million population. The statistic in question originates on page 11 of this document, a response to a plaintiff's interrogatory in a civil suit: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1232171-91-3.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1232171-91-3.html
Istof 12y ago
That is probably the easiest way to get data and meta-data from all Americans without a warrant (since they can gather everybody's data on that list 3 levels deep[0] (used to be 5 levels deep less then a year ago I believe)) 0: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?t=276718 http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?t=276718

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cryoshon 12y ago

We've known that they are delusionally paranoid for quite a while. This is just another piece of evidence to prove that claim.

HillRat 12y ago

Technically, it's more like 167 terrorists per million. The TSDB is a global database that is a subset of TIDE plus domestic names. TIDE is probably about 1/3 again larger than TSDB, with news reports pegging TIDE's size at about 875,000 names. If we assume that terrorists (or, as the source document likes to term them, "TERRORISTS") are confined to persons over the age of 15 (only true in the general case, I'm sad to say), then the database contains .017% of the targeted world population. An interesting question is whether TSDB and TIDE can even actually track the majority of militants worldwide -- for example, your average ISIS fighter or Donetsk militiaman, as opposed to terrorists seeking to carry out attacks in non-combat areas. The idea that there are 875K al-Qa'ida-style terrorists working worldwide wouldn't pass the laugh test with most analysts. Consider that ISIS, which is either a very large terrorist group or a very small conventional army, has a personnel list somewhere between 10K and 20K, and the Pakistani Taliban is thought to have between 5K-10K fighters. The size of the TSDB, even if it were a strict superset of all actively anti-American terrorists and militants in the world, is likely an order of magnitude too large.

DINKDINK 12y ago
Good counter point. I assumed all KSTs were US citizens. As far as I'm aware, that probability isn't divulged.
- HillRat 12y ago
  According to news reports, about 5% of names in TSDB are AMCITS or LPRs, though it appears that share may be rising relative to the overall growth of the list.

anigbrowl 12y ago

That's 468,749 people in the world, not in the United States. Why did you assume that that was relative to US population? So in the correct context of the global population, that's about 66 terrorists per million population. The statistic in question originates on page 11 of this document, a response to a plaintiff's interrogatory in a civil suit: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1232171-91-3.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1232171-91-3.html

Istof 12y ago

That is probably the easiest way to get data and meta-data from all Americans without a warrant (since they can gather everybody's data on that list 3 levels deep[0] (used to be 5 levels deep less then a year ago I believe)) 0: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?t=276718 http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?t=276718