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A better title for this research would have been "Steroids seem to help people win fights" As an MMA coach, I think a more likely explanation is the wider face

by orasis 12y ago

A better title for this research would have been "Steroids seem to help people win fights" As an MMA coach, I think a more likely explanation is the wider faces correlate to high testosterone, including steroid use, which in turn correlates with more wins in the Octagon due to strength and stamina, not necessarily "fighting ability". If you want to look at raw fighting ability, take a look at any member of the Gracie family, the best family of martial artists this last century and you will find they generally have skinnier faces. http://www.bjjee.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/rener-ryron.jpg http://www.bjjee.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/rener-ryron....

korzun 12y ago
Gracies were good by default. They fought inexperienced competition. As soon as people caught up to BJJ they became irrelevant in MMA. Also when they faced somebody with ground game they had tons of issues (IE: Sakuraba "Gracie Killer") Matter of fact recent performances by Gracies in MMA were embarrassing. >http://www.mmamania.com/2010/2/10/1304038/cousin-renzo-rolles-gracies-ufc http://www.mmamania.com/2010/2/10/1304038/cousin-renzo-rolle... Etc.
incision 12y ago
>'A better title for this research would have been "Steroids seem to help people win fights"...I think a more likely explanation is the wider faces correlate to high testosterone...' Pretty much, the article bears this out even. 'The researchers speculated that one causal mechanism may be higher testosterone levels - certainly past research has shown men with higher basal testosterone have wider faces, as well as greater strength and aggression.' Though it's surely often misapplied, the terms 'gh/steroid/juice jaw' didn't develop out of thin air.
nicholas73 12y ago
Notice the pattern holds true within the Gracie family. Rickson and Roger are family champions and have wide faces. Royce and Royler have thin faces, but even they have wide jawlines for their size. It's directly related to testosterone level, but that's an artifact of training hard. Let's not claim it's all steroid use.

by orasis 12y ago

korzun 12y ago

Gracies were good by default. They fought inexperienced competition. As soon as people caught up to BJJ they became irrelevant in MMA. Also when they faced somebody with ground game they had tons of issues (IE: Sakuraba "Gracie Killer") Matter of fact recent performances by Gracies in MMA were embarrassing. >http://www.mmamania.com/2010/2/10/1304038/cousin-renzo-rolles-gracies-ufc http://www.mmamania.com/2010/2/10/1304038/cousin-renzo-rolle... Etc.

incision 12y ago

>'A better title for this research would have been "Steroids seem to help people win fights"...I think a more likely explanation is the wider faces correlate to high testosterone...' Pretty much, the article bears this out even. 'The researchers speculated that one causal mechanism may be higher testosterone levels - certainly past research has shown men with higher basal testosterone have wider faces, as well as greater strength and aggression.' Though it's surely often misapplied, the terms 'gh/steroid/juice jaw' didn't develop out of thin air.

nicholas73 12y ago

Notice the pattern holds true within the Gracie family. Rickson and Roger are family champions and have wide faces. Royce and Royler have thin faces, but even they have wide jawlines for their size. It's directly related to testosterone level, but that's an artifact of training hard. Let's not claim it's all steroid use.