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User interface is just one part of an OS. You can have the same OS on different devices with different interfaces.

jqm 12y ago
No you can't. Sure, the kernel may be the same but you say it very clearly yourself.... "user interface is part of the OS". So you can't have the "same" OS with different interfaces. Nor for that matter can the apps be the same. They would work differently. Edit: I didn't catch the user interface would differ among devices in the article, so I suppose my original complaint about user interface has been addressed. Developers still have to address how people will interact in different ways with their applications among platforms however... even if the binaries compile on all.
- freehunter 12y ago
  So when pilsetnieks says the user interface can be different on the same OS, which is the whole basis of Linux and also damn close to how Apple does it with OSX and iOS, it "can't be done". Then you read the exact same thing in the article, and suddenly it can be done. You posted above in this thread "Maybe complaining about some of Microsoft's decisions has more to do with user frustration and less to do with being "all the rage"?" Maybe you need to rethink the reasons why you're complaining right now. Because you have a legitimate complaint? No. Because it's fashionable? I think that's closer to the truth.
  - jqm 12y ago
    "reasons why you're complaining right now.." -Please don't presume to ascribe me motive. That's just silly. "can't be done" -Where do I even vaguely reference that something can't be done? Did you even read my comment? Sure... The underlying kernel is the same. I understand. I also understand now, (after reading the top comment) that it is kernel changes referenced in the article rather than UI. My complaint is with standardized UI so that complaint is irrelevant (which I note). But, according to pilsetniek, an OS encompasses UI. So if you have have a different UI, by his definition, then you have a different OS. Very simple logic 101. Speaking of motive, I'm not going to presume to ascribe motive to your comment, but I have to wonder about it. It doesn't seem to have been worth the time taken to post it as you didn't address the content of my comments. More like an attempted jab that falls short. Why? I don't know. My psychology degree hasn't come in the mail yet. And yes.. I believe frustration with some of Microsoft's decisions results in complaints.
    - freehunter 12y ago
      >No you can't. >you can't have the "same" OS with different interfaces Also, if I'm running Ubuntu and I apt-get install xfce, I still have the same OS, but the UI is completely different. All the same applications still work, and they adapt to the new UI. So yeah, you're bitching just to bitch. Did you complain 20 years ago when Linux decided to have one OS regardless of what UI package you decided to use? Hell, I just switched my Windows 7 UI to classic mode. Does that mean I'm running a different OS now? Man, I hope my applications still work. OH NO! The time on my clock changed, now I'm running a different OS... very simple logic 101.
      - jqm 12y ago
        A clock changing time or switching to classic mode on Windows is in no way analogous to the difference between a phone, a desktop and an Xbox. Those systems are substantially different enough to require different methods of user interaction. Do they utilize the same OS at that point? Maybe, depending on definition. But the definition given by pilsetniek specifies UI as part of the OS. So by this definition, No, they cannot use the same OS. "you are bitching because..." Whatever dude.

jqm 12y ago

No you can't. Sure, the kernel may be the same but you say it very clearly yourself.... "user interface is part of the OS". So you can't have the "same" OS with different interfaces. Nor for that matter can the apps be the same. They would work differently. Edit: I didn't catch the user interface would differ among devices in the article, so I suppose my original complaint about user interface has been addressed. Developers still have to address how people will interact in different ways with their applications among platforms however... even if the binaries compile on all.

freehunter 12y ago
So when pilsetnieks says the user interface can be different on the same OS, which is the whole basis of Linux and also damn close to how Apple does it with OSX and iOS, it "can't be done". Then you read the exact same thing in the article, and suddenly it can be done. You posted above in this thread "Maybe complaining about some of Microsoft's decisions has more to do with user frustration and less to do with being "all the rage"?" Maybe you need to rethink the reasons why you're complaining right now. Because you have a legitimate complaint? No. Because it's fashionable? I think that's closer to the truth.
- jqm 12y ago
  "reasons why you're complaining right now.." -Please don't presume to ascribe me motive. That's just silly. "can't be done" -Where do I even vaguely reference that something can't be done? Did you even read my comment? Sure... The underlying kernel is the same. I understand. I also understand now, (after reading the top comment) that it is kernel changes referenced in the article rather than UI. My complaint is with standardized UI so that complaint is irrelevant (which I note). But, according to pilsetniek, an OS encompasses UI. So if you have have a different UI, by his definition, then you have a different OS. Very simple logic 101. Speaking of motive, I'm not going to presume to ascribe motive to your comment, but I have to wonder about it. It doesn't seem to have been worth the time taken to post it as you didn't address the content of my comments. More like an attempted jab that falls short. Why? I don't know. My psychology degree hasn't come in the mail yet. And yes.. I believe frustration with some of Microsoft's decisions results in complaints.
  - freehunter 12y ago
    >No you can't. >you can't have the "same" OS with different interfaces Also, if I'm running Ubuntu and I apt-get install xfce, I still have the same OS, but the UI is completely different. All the same applications still work, and they adapt to the new UI. So yeah, you're bitching just to bitch. Did you complain 20 years ago when Linux decided to have one OS regardless of what UI package you decided to use? Hell, I just switched my Windows 7 UI to classic mode. Does that mean I'm running a different OS now? Man, I hope my applications still work. OH NO! The time on my clock changed, now I'm running a different OS... very simple logic 101.
    - jqm 12y ago
      A clock changing time or switching to classic mode on Windows is in no way analogous to the difference between a phone, a desktop and an Xbox. Those systems are substantially different enough to require different methods of user interaction. Do they utilize the same OS at that point? Maybe, depending on definition. But the definition given by pilsetniek specifies UI as part of the OS. So by this definition, No, they cannot use the same OS. "you are bitching because..." Whatever dude.