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An anonymous woman in tech is not the same as a woman publicly writing about her perspective on women in tech. Change "woman in tech" to something like support

by cheez 12y ago

An anonymous woman in tech is not the same as a woman publicly writing about her perspective on women in tech. Change "woman in tech" to something like support for/against gay marriage. I may have my own opinion, but once I voice it, I'm a target.

eli 12y ago
I don't think I agree with your premise, but even if I did... what's the point you're trying to make? That women would be safer if they never voice an opinion?
- cheez 12y ago
  Nope. I'm saying no one is free from this sort of behaviour when they put themselves in the public eye. Look at sports-related tweets after a big loss.
  - eli 12y ago
    Simply having a Tumblr account you post thoughts to is being "in the public eye"? If so, then that category must include nearly everyone who works in tech.
    - cheez 12y ago
      Where did Tumblr come from?
      - eli 12y ago
        The abuse he author suffered from a tumblr post is literally the first thing in the linked article.
        cheez 12y ago
        Sorry, that slipped my mind. I thought it was a Reddit post. In any case, it wasn't a random Tumblr blog, it was reblogged by someone who has been the target of online hate because of whatever reason. Hate transfers onto associates.
- golgappi 12y ago
  as an anonymous woman in tech, I guess what he is trying to say that women need to stop thinking that all the unfairness in the tech world is directed to them. Men suffer too. Yes, women mostly suffer because they are women and because stereotypes suck. But that doesn't mean that women should be segregated as a group that is the only victim of harassment.
  - cheez 12y ago
    Hopefully you don't mind me responding here. I appreciate your attempt to understand what I was saying but I was only saying that the experience of an anonymous woman in tech is going to be different from the experience of a public writer on the Internets, when it comes to abusive language. What is your day-to-day like?
    - golgappi 12y ago
      I guess you read what you want to read :) It's just like any other IT guy's day. Go to work, do your job, fuck up a bit, say sorry, give others a hard time when they fuck up :P But seriously, no difference apart from the fact that I can see men at work are very cautious around me as far as cracking jokes is concerned. But I can't really blame them with all these sexual harassment out of nothing stories floating around everywhere now, can I?
      - cheez 12y ago
        It's all in the delivery. But yours is pretty much the experience I have seen from the outside: anonymous tech female worker is NOT receiving rape/death threats on a daily basis from co-workers or customers. I'm glad your life is as uninteresting as the regular IT guy ;)
- DanBC 12y ago
  I'm guessing they're saying that "women working in the industry don't get rape threats for working in the industry. Women who do get rape threats are women with twitter accounts" Maybe that's true (I don't think so), but like you said so what? It doesn't make it any better. One thing that's often missed is that it's not only men making the death and rape threats - one of the people jailed for threats against Caroline Criadoperez was a woman. It'd be interesting to see what portion of the "troll"[1] population is women. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/twitter-trolls-isabella-sorley-and-john-nimmo-jailed-for-abusing-feminist-campaigner-caroline-criadoperez-9083829.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/twitter-trolls-is... [1] giving in and using modern version.
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by cheez 12y ago

eli 12y ago

I don't think I agree with your premise, but even if I did... what's the point you're trying to make? That women would be safer if they never voice an opinion?

cheez 12y ago
Nope. I'm saying no one is free from this sort of behaviour when they put themselves in the public eye. Look at sports-related tweets after a big loss.
- eli 12y ago
  Simply having a Tumblr account you post thoughts to is being "in the public eye"? If so, then that category must include nearly everyone who works in tech.
  - cheez 12y ago
    Where did Tumblr come from?
    - eli 12y ago
      The abuse he author suffered from a tumblr post is literally the first thing in the linked article.
      - cheez 12y ago
        Sorry, that slipped my mind. I thought it was a Reddit post. In any case, it wasn't a random Tumblr blog, it was reblogged by someone who has been the target of online hate because of whatever reason. Hate transfers onto associates.
golgappi 12y ago
as an anonymous woman in tech, I guess what he is trying to say that women need to stop thinking that all the unfairness in the tech world is directed to them. Men suffer too. Yes, women mostly suffer because they are women and because stereotypes suck. But that doesn't mean that women should be segregated as a group that is the only victim of harassment.
- cheez 12y ago
  Hopefully you don't mind me responding here. I appreciate your attempt to understand what I was saying but I was only saying that the experience of an anonymous woman in tech is going to be different from the experience of a public writer on the Internets, when it comes to abusive language. What is your day-to-day like?
  - golgappi 12y ago
    I guess you read what you want to read :) It's just like any other IT guy's day. Go to work, do your job, fuck up a bit, say sorry, give others a hard time when they fuck up :P But seriously, no difference apart from the fact that I can see men at work are very cautious around me as far as cracking jokes is concerned. But I can't really blame them with all these sexual harassment out of nothing stories floating around everywhere now, can I?
    - cheez 12y ago
      It's all in the delivery. But yours is pretty much the experience I have seen from the outside: anonymous tech female worker is NOT receiving rape/death threats on a daily basis from co-workers or customers. I'm glad your life is as uninteresting as the regular IT guy ;)
DanBC 12y ago
I'm guessing they're saying that "women working in the industry don't get rape threats for working in the industry. Women who do get rape threats are women with twitter accounts" Maybe that's true (I don't think so), but like you said so what? It doesn't make it any better. One thing that's often missed is that it's not only men making the death and rape threats - one of the people jailed for threats against Caroline Criadoperez was a woman. It'd be interesting to see what portion of the "troll"[1] population is women. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/twitter-trolls-isabella-sorley-and-john-nimmo-jailed-for-abusing-feminist-campaigner-caroline-criadoperez-9083829.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/twitter-trolls-is... [1] giving in and using modern version.

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