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In the area of competitive sports, it is pretty common to receive death threats for athletes who do not perform well. I'm not saying it's right. It's not. I'm

by cheez 12y ago

In the area of competitive sports, it is pretty common to receive death threats for athletes who do not perform well. I'm not saying it's right. It's not. I'm saying that the reader needs to tease apart the two.

eli 12y ago
Tease what apart?
- cheez 12y ago
  An anonymous woman in tech is not the same as a woman publicly writing about her perspective on women in tech. Change "woman in tech" to something like support for/against gay marriage. I may have my own opinion, but once I voice it, I'm a target.
  - eli 12y ago
    I don't think I agree with your premise, but even if I did... what's the point you're trying to make? That women would be safer if they never voice an opinion?
    - cheez 12y ago
      Nope. I'm saying no one is free from this sort of behaviour when they put themselves in the public eye. Look at sports-related tweets after a big loss.
      - eli 12y ago
        Simply having a Tumblr account you post thoughts to is being "in the public eye"? If so, then that category must include nearly everyone who works in tech.
        cheez 12y ago
        Where did Tumblr come from?
        eli 12y ago
        The abuse he author suffered from a tumblr post is literally the first thing in the linked article.
        cheez 12y ago
        Sorry, that slipped my mind. I thought it was a Reddit post. In any case, it wasn't a random Tumblr blog, it was reblogged by someone who has been the target of online hate because of whatever reason. Hate transfers onto associates.
    - golgappi 12y ago
      as an anonymous woman in tech, I guess what he is trying to say that women need to stop thinking that all the unfairness in the tech world is directed to them. Men suffer too. Yes, women mostly suffer because they are women and because stereotypes suck. But that doesn't mean that women should be segregated as a group that is the only victim of harassment.
      - cheez 12y ago
        Hopefully you don't mind me responding here. I appreciate your attempt to understand what I was saying but I was only saying that the experience of an anonymous woman in tech is going to be different from the experience of a public writer on the Internets, when it comes to abusive language. What is your day-to-day like?
        golgappi 12y ago
        I guess you read what you want to read :) It's just like any other IT guy's day. Go to work, do your job, fuck up a bit, say sorry, give others a hard time when they fuck up :P But seriously, no difference apart from the fact that I can see men at work are very cautious around me as far as cracking jokes is concerned. But I can't really blame them with all these sexual harassment out of nothing stories floating around everywhere now, can I?
        cheez 12y ago
        It's all in the delivery. But yours is pretty much the experience I have seen from the outside: anonymous tech female worker is NOT receiving rape/death threats on a daily basis from co-workers or customers. I'm glad your life is as uninteresting as the regular IT guy ;)
    - DanBC 12y ago
      I'm guessing they're saying that "women working in the industry don't get rape threats for working in the industry. Women who do get rape threats are women with twitter accounts" Maybe that's true (I don't think so), but like you said so what? It doesn't make it any better. One thing that's often missed is that it's not only men making the death and rape threats - one of the people jailed for threats against Caroline Criadoperez was a woman. It'd be interesting to see what portion of the "troll"[1] population is women. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/twitter-trolls-isabella-sorley-and-john-nimmo-jailed-for-abusing-feminist-campaigner-caroline-criadoperez-9083829.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/twitter-trolls-is... [1] giving in and using modern version.
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enraged_camel 12y ago
>>In the area of competitive sports, it is pretty common to receive death threats for athletes who do not perform well. You are making this comparison because you haven't fully thought things through. In your mind, death is worse than rape, therefore receiving death threats is worse than receiving rape threats. But it's not so simple. Rape threats are significantly worse than death threats, for a similar reason that killing children is worse than killing adults. Women are a vulnerable group in society -- they are smaller and physically weaker than men on average, and are socially oppressed on top of that. If both rape threats and death threats are an attempt at exerting power (with no intention of actually carrying through with the threat), then rape threat is a lot worse because it exploits a vulnerable group in the most mentally damaging way possible.
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- cheez 12y ago
  This is almost the most fantastic thing I've ever read.
- tomp 12y ago
  Funny, for most things that you wrote, one could say the exact opposite, with equivalent validity. > You are making this comparison because you haven't fully thought things through. In your mind, death is worse than rape, but it doesn't automatically follow that receiving death threats is worse than receiving rape threats. But it's not so simple. > Death threats are significantly worse than rape threats, for a similar reason that killing children is worse than killing adults (a child has a longer life and more choices to make than an adult, so killing a child is more choice-reducing than killing an adult - just as killing is more choice-reducing than raping). Men are a vulnerable group in society -- they are physically stronger than women on average and therefore work more dangerous jobs, and commit more suicides and die sooner on top of that. If both rape threats and death threats are an attempt at exerting power (with no intention of actually carrying through with the threat), then a death threat is a lot worse because it exploits a vulnerable group in the most mentally damaging way possible.

by cheez 12y ago

eli 12y ago

Tease what apart?

cheez 12y ago
An anonymous woman in tech is not the same as a woman publicly writing about her perspective on women in tech. Change "woman in tech" to something like support for/against gay marriage. I may have my own opinion, but once I voice it, I'm a target.
- eli 12y ago
  I don't think I agree with your premise, but even if I did... what's the point you're trying to make? That women would be safer if they never voice an opinion?
  - cheez 12y ago
    Nope. I'm saying no one is free from this sort of behaviour when they put themselves in the public eye. Look at sports-related tweets after a big loss.
    - eli 12y ago
      Simply having a Tumblr account you post thoughts to is being "in the public eye"? If so, then that category must include nearly everyone who works in tech.
      - cheez 12y ago
        Where did Tumblr come from?
        eli 12y ago
        The abuse he author suffered from a tumblr post is literally the first thing in the linked article.
        cheez 12y ago
        Sorry, that slipped my mind. I thought it was a Reddit post. In any case, it wasn't a random Tumblr blog, it was reblogged by someone who has been the target of online hate because of whatever reason. Hate transfers onto associates.
  - golgappi 12y ago
    as an anonymous woman in tech, I guess what he is trying to say that women need to stop thinking that all the unfairness in the tech world is directed to them. Men suffer too. Yes, women mostly suffer because they are women and because stereotypes suck. But that doesn't mean that women should be segregated as a group that is the only victim of harassment.
    - cheez 12y ago
      Hopefully you don't mind me responding here. I appreciate your attempt to understand what I was saying but I was only saying that the experience of an anonymous woman in tech is going to be different from the experience of a public writer on the Internets, when it comes to abusive language. What is your day-to-day like?
      - golgappi 12y ago
        I guess you read what you want to read :) It's just like any other IT guy's day. Go to work, do your job, fuck up a bit, say sorry, give others a hard time when they fuck up :P But seriously, no difference apart from the fact that I can see men at work are very cautious around me as far as cracking jokes is concerned. But I can't really blame them with all these sexual harassment out of nothing stories floating around everywhere now, can I?
        cheez 12y ago
        It's all in the delivery. But yours is pretty much the experience I have seen from the outside: anonymous tech female worker is NOT receiving rape/death threats on a daily basis from co-workers or customers. I'm glad your life is as uninteresting as the regular IT guy ;)
  - DanBC 12y ago
    I'm guessing they're saying that "women working in the industry don't get rape threats for working in the industry. Women who do get rape threats are women with twitter accounts" Maybe that's true (I don't think so), but like you said so what? It doesn't make it any better. One thing that's often missed is that it's not only men making the death and rape threats - one of the people jailed for threats against Caroline Criadoperez was a woman. It'd be interesting to see what portion of the "troll"[1] population is women. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/twitter-trolls-isabella-sorley-and-john-nimmo-jailed-for-abusing-feminist-campaigner-caroline-criadoperez-9083829.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/twitter-trolls-is... [1] giving in and using modern version.
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enraged_camel 12y ago

>>In the area of competitive sports, it is pretty common to receive death threats for athletes who do not perform well. You are making this comparison because you haven't fully thought things through. In your mind, death is worse than rape, therefore receiving death threats is worse than receiving rape threats. But it's not so simple. Rape threats are significantly worse than death threats, for a similar reason that killing children is worse than killing adults. Women are a vulnerable group in society -- they are smaller and physically weaker than men on average, and are socially oppressed on top of that. If both rape threats and death threats are an attempt at exerting power (with no intention of actually carrying through with the threat), then rape threat is a lot worse because it exploits a vulnerable group in the most mentally damaging way possible.

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cheez 12y ago
This is almost the most fantastic thing I've ever read.
tomp 12y ago
Funny, for most things that you wrote, one could say the exact opposite, with equivalent validity. > You are making this comparison because you haven't fully thought things through. In your mind, death is worse than rape, but it doesn't automatically follow that receiving death threats is worse than receiving rape threats. But it's not so simple. > Death threats are significantly worse than rape threats, for a similar reason that killing children is worse than killing adults (a child has a longer life and more choices to make than an adult, so killing a child is more choice-reducing than killing an adult - just as killing is more choice-reducing than raping). Men are a vulnerable group in society -- they are physically stronger than women on average and therefore work more dangerous jobs, and commit more suicides and die sooner on top of that. If both rape threats and death threats are an attempt at exerting power (with no intention of actually carrying through with the threat), then a death threat is a lot worse because it exploits a vulnerable group in the most mentally damaging way possible.