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I work for Rackspace, we have a cloud. Sometimes people do illegitimate things with it -- but attackers using resources fall generally into two groups: 1) Fra

by pquerna 12y ago

I work for Rackspace, we have a cloud. Sometimes people do illegitimate things with it -- but attackers using resources fall generally into two groups: 1) Fraudulent Payment method (eg, stollen credit card) 2) Someone hasn't patched Wordpress (or another app) in 3 years, box gets hacked, then used for bad things. So, at least with paying via BTC for compute, you pretty much eliminate #1 -- in all cases the provider gets paid, no chargebacks, etc.

danohuiginn 12y ago
you don't eliminate #1, it just has less consequences for the hosting provider. Bitcoins can still be stolen (albeit perhaps not as easily as credit cards). But since there's no chargeback system, the victims don't have much recourse.
- kordless 12y ago
  The expectations that we'll eliminate 100% of fraud are fundamentally flawed. Fraud will always exist. The Bitcoin blockchain provides a good amount of fraud resistant technologies that can be used by external systems to help lower the incidences of fraud in their own systems. Unfortunately, some systems that have connected to the blockchain have been vulnerable to being broken into, which is where the coins usually get stolen. It's companies like Coinbase and Blockchain that carry that responsibility for the rest of us, and for that, I'm grateful. I would hazard the amount of fraud will go down considerably (compared to credit card fraud) once we've sorted around the best practices for securing your coin.
  - judk 12y ago
    > once we've sorted around the best practices for securing your coin. The same theory applies to credit cards (single-use card numbers, etc)
  - al2o3cr 12y ago
    If we always applied best practices for CC data, there wouldn't be much fraud with that system either. Sadly, we live in the real world.
  - onnoonno 12y ago
    Isn't the problem of someone breaking in and stealing coins avoidable in the 'selling sth. for coins' scenario by just looking for incoming payments to a particular address, but without ever keeping any secret keys on a live system?

by pquerna 12y ago

danohuiginn 12y ago

you don't eliminate #1, it just has less consequences for the hosting provider. Bitcoins can still be stolen (albeit perhaps not as easily as credit cards). But since there's no chargeback system, the victims don't have much recourse.

kordless 12y ago
The expectations that we'll eliminate 100% of fraud are fundamentally flawed. Fraud will always exist. The Bitcoin blockchain provides a good amount of fraud resistant technologies that can be used by external systems to help lower the incidences of fraud in their own systems. Unfortunately, some systems that have connected to the blockchain have been vulnerable to being broken into, which is where the coins usually get stolen. It's companies like Coinbase and Blockchain that carry that responsibility for the rest of us, and for that, I'm grateful. I would hazard the amount of fraud will go down considerably (compared to credit card fraud) once we've sorted around the best practices for securing your coin.
- judk 12y ago
  > once we've sorted around the best practices for securing your coin. The same theory applies to credit cards (single-use card numbers, etc)
- al2o3cr 12y ago
  If we always applied best practices for CC data, there wouldn't be much fraud with that system either. Sadly, we live in the real world.
- onnoonno 12y ago
  Isn't the problem of someone breaking in and stealing coins avoidable in the 'selling sth. for coins' scenario by just looking for incoming payments to a particular address, but without ever keeping any secret keys on a live system?