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The contrast of perspectives between Ellsburg's plea for the moral imperatives for leaking and Snowden's resistance to shaming those who don't leak was really i

The contrast of perspectives between Ellsburg's plea for the moral imperatives for leaking and Snowden's resistance to shaming those who don't leak was really interesting. It seems like Ellsburg had developed a real contempt for all of us in America until Manning and Snowden came along.

acqq 12y ago
There was no Ellsburg there, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg A great guy, you should read about his life. Or even easier, watch "The Most Dangerous Man in America" documentary (cca 90 min).
- mcb3k 12y ago
  Are you giving him flak for misspelling Ellsberg? Because otherwise Daniel Ellsberg was the keynote speaker at HOPE X (which the keynote was right before Snowden's talk), and was the one asking the questions to Snowden.
  - acqq 12y ago
    Of course I know that Ellsberg was asking the questions and I am aware of the keynote. For me, the misspelling of the name and the dubious and trollish claim of the "contempt for all of us in America" don't appear like written by somebody who even understands what Ellsberg actually did. I can write "citation needed" since Ellsberg definitely hasn't expressed "contempt for all of us in America" but then we're dancing to the troll's tune. Instead, I really suggest learning more about Ellsberg, it's definitely worth, in my opinion.
    - droopybuns 12y ago
      Eek. I didn't intend to sound trollish. I was on a mobile earlier and it didn't encourage great eloquence. I greatly admire Ellsberg's courage and moral consistency.
      - acqq 12y ago
        Thanks a lot for the explanation droopybuns. Do see the documentary once, I'd be interested to know your impression on it.
        droopybuns 12y ago
        Is there anywhere I can download it? seems like it is physical media only. no itunes, no netflix...
        acqq 12y ago
        I don't know of any way to pay to watch it on-line directly. I guess to support the producers at this moment you'd have to order the DVD. I have an impression that the film can still be found on-line with the search engines, some place where some user posted it on some video platform and it's still not removed, but I haven't actually tried. Yes, somebody should also suggest to the producers to make the film available for on-line purchases (I'm too lazy to be that somebody this time). You can read the DVD reviews on amazon.com to get the idea how people respond to it. Amazon sells the DVD cheaper than the official site.

acqq 12y ago

There was no Ellsburg there, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg A great guy, you should read about his life. Or even easier, watch "The Most Dangerous Man in America" documentary (cca 90 min).

mcb3k 12y ago
Are you giving him flak for misspelling Ellsberg? Because otherwise Daniel Ellsberg was the keynote speaker at HOPE X (which the keynote was right before Snowden's talk), and was the one asking the questions to Snowden.
- acqq 12y ago
  Of course I know that Ellsberg was asking the questions and I am aware of the keynote. For me, the misspelling of the name and the dubious and trollish claim of the "contempt for all of us in America" don't appear like written by somebody who even understands what Ellsberg actually did. I can write "citation needed" since Ellsberg definitely hasn't expressed "contempt for all of us in America" but then we're dancing to the troll's tune. Instead, I really suggest learning more about Ellsberg, it's definitely worth, in my opinion.
  - droopybuns 12y ago
    Eek. I didn't intend to sound trollish. I was on a mobile earlier and it didn't encourage great eloquence. I greatly admire Ellsberg's courage and moral consistency.
    - acqq 12y ago
      Thanks a lot for the explanation droopybuns. Do see the documentary once, I'd be interested to know your impression on it.
      - droopybuns 12y ago
        Is there anywhere I can download it? seems like it is physical media only. no itunes, no netflix...
        acqq 12y ago
        I don't know of any way to pay to watch it on-line directly. I guess to support the producers at this moment you'd have to order the DVD. I have an impression that the film can still be found on-line with the search engines, some place where some user posted it on some video platform and it's still not removed, but I haven't actually tried. Yes, somebody should also suggest to the producers to make the film available for on-line purchases (I'm too lazy to be that somebody this time). You can read the DVD reviews on amazon.com to get the idea how people respond to it. Amazon sells the DVD cheaper than the official site.