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Intelligence and depression go hand in hand. The following isn't blowing my own trumpet, but is framing for my perspective. The last IQ test I had (for what it
by madaxe_again 12y ago
Intelligence and depression go hand in hand.
The following isn't blowing my own trumpet, but is framing for my perspective. The last IQ test I had (for what it's worth, I put little stead in their worth, and was made to do it by a concerned employer) placed me in the "profoundly gifted" category - just north of 180.
I have been outright miserable for my entire existence. As I've learned to better understand my own behaviour and impulses in the context of how humans generally work, it has become increasingly evident that my dissatisfaction stems from an excess of analytical thought, particularly when applied to "what if" scenarios.
This leaves me usually exceptionally well prepared for most situations life throws at me, through my incessant internal roleplaying, however also results in me "experiencing" many negative situations and outcomes, in order to understand how to either mitigate against them or to deal with them when they arise - and the emotions that come with them.
This results in a fixation on negative outcomes, which in turn feeds into anxiety, paranoia, and depression - as negative outcomes are far more common in most situations than positive - and mandate more attention so that they can be avoided.
In any case - I'd argue that creativity doesn't stem from mental illness, and that in fact depression as reported in many of these individuals (particularly given the absence of schizoid traits) stems from a similar source, in overanalysing situations. It's a correlating factor, not a causative one.
There's also the question of association, which is noted in the article, which I can to some extent vouch for. Much of my utility in what I do for my day job arises from being able to make associations from the aether that others don't seem to see, and posit solutions to multi-variable problems rapidly. It's a disconcerting feeling when you delve - something akin to turning off a chunk of rational thought, and letting the answers emerge from somewhere in my visual memory/thought processes. Also, outside of general problem solving, this results in strange associations, which usually emerge from me as baroque and obtuse metaphors - which again feed to the "mental illness" angle, it's somewhat inevitable that "this dude is nuts" is the conclusion others would and do take.
Anyway, just my $0.02 autopsychoanalysis.
Oh, and dysthymia was what they decided to diagnose me with when I last saw a shrink. Whatever.
Edit: just occurred to me as relevant to this - I had my genome done last year, and I have completely buggered serotonin and dopamine systems, and an overamped oxycontin system. Whether this feeds into this, I don't know, but I would suspect so. I get no sense of achievement from anything, which pushes me to always do more, learn more, be more.
- lobo_tuerto 12y agoI used to suffer from that overanalysing of situations too, always delving in worst-case scenarios. So I decided to do something about it and started myself into zen buddhism. Meditation has really helped me in that department, I'm now happier, anxiety is basically gone, and live better now. If you haven't heard about this book, let me recommend it to you: Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind - Shunryu Suzuki (this is how I entered myself into this buddhism thing).
- webnrrd2k 12y agoI'd like to second your opinion -- meditation has helped me tremendously in many ways, especially in, broadly speaking "getting me out of my own way". I'd suggest starting with the book "Mindfulness in Plain English", available from free online. Another good book, available online, is "Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha". Also, try some audio talks from Jack Cornfield, Pema Chodron, Gil Frondal, Shinzen Young, or whoever seems to work for you. Listen to them when you go on a drive more than half an hour. But the important thing is to put in some time meditating.
- walterbell 12y agoU of Iowa School of Social Work did a project where grad students wrote papers on pseudo-additions to the DSM diagnostic manual, to illustrate the process which influences later diagnosis. http://www.dsm4tr.com/whatis.html http://www.dsm4tr.com/whatis.html http://www.dsm4tr.com http://www.dsm4tr.com
- napoleond 12y agoI can identify with this, and (from previous submissions/comments) I get the impression that many others here can also identify (very high IQ, low satisfaction with life, anxiety, etc). FWIW, I have learned to "beat" the negative thought loops; after gaining some benefit from various efforts and experiences (which may or may not have been necessary steps in enabling what followed), what finally did it for me was understanding that the happiest people I know are also the most boring. Steady 9-5 jobs, steady relationships, relatively infrequent travel, often religious, etc. Those people didn't question a lot of the things around them, and they were generally happier for it. So I made a conscious effort to also become "boring" as much as I could, and (surprisingly) it more or less worked. Obviously not everyone will be comfortable with that path (and obviously I still question some things, I just consciously choose to question much, much less than I used to) but I'm mentioning it as an option because it's basically the answer to that "pursuit of happiness" garbage that people always talk about. It's just a lot easier to be happy when you allow yourself to be pleased with simple things.