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If I could use anonymous micropayment to purchase the files, then I would. Up to 50¢ per song. I would want my formats though, FLAC and Ogg Vorbis. And a way to

by aw3c2 17y ago

If I could use anonymous micropayment to purchase the files, then I would. Up to 50¢ per song. I would want my formats though, FLAC and Ogg Vorbis. And a way to redownload whenever I need to.

tptacek 17y ago
Otherwise, you'll just take what you want?
- furyg3 17y ago
  Yes, sadly he will, and so will millions and millions more. As a society, we can sit around and call them immoral, say it's stealing, shame them, draft legislation, whatever. Or... we can accept the situation as it is now (and is likely to be in the future) and just tell the industry that it's their business model, they can deal with the monitoring/policing/lawsuits of it all. Our collective responsibility to them is very limited (ensuring they get their day in court and that Little Jimmy pays them what he owes them, about $.99/song). We don't need to resort to draconian legislation/monitoring/enforcement to ensure that no one may, at any cost, illegally download T-Pain's newest single. In short: it's your business model, you deal with it. In the meantime I'll be over here doing something that someone else is willing to pay for...
  - tptacek 17y ago
    Ah, the "everybody else is doing it, why shouldn't I" rationalization.
  - aw3c2 17y ago
    Nope, I actually try to boycott (it always sounds so silly) the music industry nowadays. I switched to Linux about 2 years ago and also shifted to (mostly) free music. I found that in the genres I am interested in, there is more than enough (actually way too much) genuinely free music available. Still there are many albums and tracks I would love to financially reward the original creator for (I already contact them or review). Both non-free and free.
- Luc 17y ago
  He's not taking it, he's copying it. Quite the difference.
  - tptacek 17y ago
    Like the Pirate Party, do you believe all noncommercial copying should be free? So, the only people who should pay for music are supermarkets and elevator operators?
    - Luc 17y ago
      What I think about it hardly matters. Copyright, enforced by the state, is a recent invention of only a few centuries ago. It shouldn't be surprising that we haven't reached an optimal state yet. And yes, I'll ignore many, many of the laws my legislature makes and not feel bad about it or see it as amoral. Hey, I'm probably breaking a few without knowing it every day of my life! The society of laws is far removed from the society of men in many other areas than copyright.
- aw3c2 17y ago
  Nope, I mostly "consume" free music nowadays, creative commons and others. If I want the music that plays all day in the radio, I turn on the radio.
  - tptacek 17y ago
    Good for you. Do you support artists who use traditional licensing, but direct-via-the-Internet distribution?
    - aw3c2 17y ago
      I would, as I explained in my parent post. Talking about buying music files online so far I bought several releases at http://web.archive.org/web/*/fakescience.com http://web.archive.org/web/*/fakescience.com and one directly from an (totally overhyped) artist. fakescience is dead now (not profitable enough), the other artist annoyed me to unsubscription with egomaniac HTML mails. fakescience had a good price (5$), the artist was overpriced (and in the end I really only liked 2 tracks from the album). I really like Magnatune's model, but then I do get my "new music" fix from free stuff nowadays and other music usually is the normal music industry model. So Magnatune sadly is not interesting for me as customer. Magnatune is a perfect example how to do it (apart from the payment system, I believe they only support Paypal. But that is not their problem to fix, anonymous micropayment is not existing yet from what I know.).
      - tptacek 17y ago
        So then, like me, you don't dispute that it's wrong to copy and distribute music from independent artists, especially when their licensing feeds fund their work directly. But you and I probably differ on how wrong it is to copy and redistribute major-label music. I'm not stuck on the major-labels-are-evil stuff. I think they're evil too, but I also think if you want to have Gnarls Barkley on your iPod, you have to play Warner's game. I'm curious where the slippery slope ends for you, though. Presumably, copying and republishing Girl Talk is clearly wrong. Copying and republishing Magnatune music is pretty wrong. Copying and republishing Matador albums is, what, a little wrong?

by aw3c2 17y ago

If I could use anonymous micropayment to purchase the files, then I would. Up to 50¢ per song. I would want my formats though, FLAC and Ogg Vorbis. And a way to redownload whenever I need to.

tptacek 17y ago

Otherwise, you'll just take what you want?

furyg3 17y ago
Yes, sadly he will, and so will millions and millions more. As a society, we can sit around and call them immoral, say it's stealing, shame them, draft legislation, whatever. Or... we can accept the situation as it is now (and is likely to be in the future) and just tell the industry that it's their business model, they can deal with the monitoring/policing/lawsuits of it all. Our collective responsibility to them is very limited (ensuring they get their day in court and that Little Jimmy pays them what he owes them, about $.99/song). We don't need to resort to draconian legislation/monitoring/enforcement to ensure that no one may, at any cost, illegally download T-Pain's newest single. In short: it's your business model, you deal with it. In the meantime I'll be over here doing something that someone else is willing to pay for...
- tptacek 17y ago
  Ah, the "everybody else is doing it, why shouldn't I" rationalization.
- aw3c2 17y ago
  Nope, I actually try to boycott (it always sounds so silly) the music industry nowadays. I switched to Linux about 2 years ago and also shifted to (mostly) free music. I found that in the genres I am interested in, there is more than enough (actually way too much) genuinely free music available. Still there are many albums and tracks I would love to financially reward the original creator for (I already contact them or review). Both non-free and free.
Luc 17y ago
He's not taking it, he's copying it. Quite the difference.
- tptacek 17y ago
  Like the Pirate Party, do you believe all noncommercial copying should be free? So, the only people who should pay for music are supermarkets and elevator operators?
  - Luc 17y ago
    What I think about it hardly matters. Copyright, enforced by the state, is a recent invention of only a few centuries ago. It shouldn't be surprising that we haven't reached an optimal state yet. And yes, I'll ignore many, many of the laws my legislature makes and not feel bad about it or see it as amoral. Hey, I'm probably breaking a few without knowing it every day of my life! The society of laws is far removed from the society of men in many other areas than copyright.
aw3c2 17y ago
Nope, I mostly "consume" free music nowadays, creative commons and others. If I want the music that plays all day in the radio, I turn on the radio.
- tptacek 17y ago
  Good for you. Do you support artists who use traditional licensing, but direct-via-the-Internet distribution?
  - aw3c2 17y ago
    I would, as I explained in my parent post. Talking about buying music files online so far I bought several releases at http://web.archive.org/web/*/fakescience.com http://web.archive.org/web/*/fakescience.com and one directly from an (totally overhyped) artist. fakescience is dead now (not profitable enough), the other artist annoyed me to unsubscription with egomaniac HTML mails. fakescience had a good price (5$), the artist was overpriced (and in the end I really only liked 2 tracks from the album). I really like Magnatune's model, but then I do get my "new music" fix from free stuff nowadays and other music usually is the normal music industry model. So Magnatune sadly is not interesting for me as customer. Magnatune is a perfect example how to do it (apart from the payment system, I believe they only support Paypal. But that is not their problem to fix, anonymous micropayment is not existing yet from what I know.).
    - tptacek 17y ago
      So then, like me, you don't dispute that it's wrong to copy and distribute music from independent artists, especially when their licensing feeds fund their work directly. But you and I probably differ on how wrong it is to copy and redistribute major-label music. I'm not stuck on the major-labels-are-evil stuff. I think they're evil too, but I also think if you want to have Gnarls Barkley on your iPod, you have to play Warner's game. I'm curious where the slippery slope ends for you, though. Presumably, copying and republishing Girl Talk is clearly wrong. Copying and republishing Magnatune music is pretty wrong. Copying and republishing Matador albums is, what, a little wrong?