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> propels the shell out of a gun barrel What? > his own weapon: a fully automatic shotgun called the AA-12. "Auto Assault-12 (AA-12), originally designed and

> propels the shell out of a gun barrel What? > his own weapon: a fully automatic shotgun called the AA-12. "Auto Assault-12 (AA-12), originally designed and known as the Atchisson Assault Shotgun, is a shotgun developed in 1972 by Maxwell Atchisson." [0] What? Can someone please explain to me what's going on here? Is this just my own ignorance or are these factual errors? [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchisson_Assault_Shotgun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchisson_Assault_Shotgun

ephemeralgomi 12y ago
The article covers that. The original design was done by Atchisson, then sold to Baber, who improved on it.
vwruetag 12y ago
Read further in the Wikipedia article, the first sentence in the 'History' section is > In 1987, Max Atchisson sold the rights of the AA-12 to Jerry Baber of Military Police Systems, Inc., Piney Flats, Tennessee Quoting the New Yorker in full >[...]he started producing, from start to finish, his own weapon: a fully automatic shotgun called the AA-12. it is obvious that he was the first to produce a mass market ready model. The article doesn't claim that he invented it.
nordsieck 12y ago
"In 1987, Max Atchisson sold the rights of the AA-12 to Jerry Baber of Military Police Systems, Inc., Piney Flats, Tennessee.[3] MPS in turn developed the successor simply known as Auto Assault-12, which was redesigned over a period of 18 years with 188 changes and improvements to the original blueprint, modifications included changing the AA-12 from blowback- to gas-operated with a locked breech." [0] Looks like there was a bit of exaggeration going on, but not anything terribly out of line. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchisson_Assault_Shotgun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchisson_Assault_Shotgun
- jboggan 12y ago
  I imagine the recoil would have been ungovernable in the original blowback configuration and the reciprocating mass would have been relatively huge.
aaronem 12y ago
> What? Expecting someone who writes for the New Yorker to understand how firearms work is, I think, expecting rather too much.
- jessaustin 12y ago
  Based on sibling comments, that's also too much to expect of several HN readers. (Hint: shells don't leave by the front door.) I thought the most egregious howler was this one: ...a dainty, short-haired woman in high heels casually grips the gun and fires off eight hundred balls of .20-calibre [sic] metal in four seconds... Although this is pretty bad, it would have been worse if the "balls" were described as 20-gauge as the author intended rather than 20-caliber which is just silly.
  - russell 12y ago
    T buckshot is .20-caliber while 00 is .32-caliber.
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ephemeralgomi 12y ago

The article covers that. The original design was done by Atchisson, then sold to Baber, who improved on it.

vwruetag 12y ago

Read further in the Wikipedia article, the first sentence in the 'History' section is > In 1987, Max Atchisson sold the rights of the AA-12 to Jerry Baber of Military Police Systems, Inc., Piney Flats, Tennessee Quoting the New Yorker in full >[...]he started producing, from start to finish, his own weapon: a fully automatic shotgun called the AA-12. it is obvious that he was the first to produce a mass market ready model. The article doesn't claim that he invented it.

nordsieck 12y ago

"In 1987, Max Atchisson sold the rights of the AA-12 to Jerry Baber of Military Police Systems, Inc., Piney Flats, Tennessee.[3] MPS in turn developed the successor simply known as Auto Assault-12, which was redesigned over a period of 18 years with 188 changes and improvements to the original blueprint, modifications included changing the AA-12 from blowback- to gas-operated with a locked breech." [0] Looks like there was a bit of exaggeration going on, but not anything terribly out of line. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchisson_Assault_Shotgun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchisson_Assault_Shotgun

jboggan 12y ago
I imagine the recoil would have been ungovernable in the original blowback configuration and the reciprocating mass would have been relatively huge.

aaronem 12y ago

> What? Expecting someone who writes for the New Yorker to understand how firearms work is, I think, expecting rather too much.

jessaustin 12y ago
Based on sibling comments, that's also too much to expect of several HN readers. (Hint: shells don't leave by the front door.) I thought the most egregious howler was this one: ...a dainty, short-haired woman in high heels casually grips the gun and fires off eight hundred balls of .20-calibre [sic] metal in four seconds... Although this is pretty bad, it would have been worse if the "balls" were described as 20-gauge as the author intended rather than 20-caliber which is just silly.
- russell 12y ago
  T buckshot is .20-caliber while 00 is .32-caliber.

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