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"If you’re reading my blog, there’s a decent chance that I know more about Objective-C than you do. I have opinions about it. You should take them seriously eve

"If you’re reading my blog, there’s a decent chance that I know more about Objective-C than you do. I have opinions about it. You should take them seriously even if you disagree." That's a weird way to start an article. I was hesitant to read the rest. And the rest of it was a mixed set of odd arguments, e.g. "I predict with great confidence that Swift will be TIOBE’s language of the year." I have no idea why would I be interested on your prediction on a not-very-useful index. I don't even understand his argument: he is complaining that normally languages are evolved in small circles before publishing, and says that Swift has come naked, half-baked, to the world but then also remembers to say it isn't even released (!)

jug6ernaut 12y ago
Agreed. I came away from this thinking "wtf did i just read?" 1/2 of it seems like him saying how Swift should have been reviewed more before release then him saying he expects greatness. With no real grounds for the latter, except that he has a lot of experience with Obj-C. Not that I have an opinion either way, i have not personally looked into Swift(and know very little of Obj-C). Just seems like he didn't even know where he was going with this article.
peteretep 12y ago
Did you just read the first half of the article? The rest of it is the main point. Given that it's likely to be very very popular, and nobody can claim to be an expert, you can be one of the most knowledgeable people in the world about it by getting in now. Want to be the author of a very popular framework in a very popular language? Write a framework now in Swift.
- mattgreenrocks 12y ago
  These are exceedingly poor motives. Write a framework in Swift if the abstractions it introduces are considerably better and more conceptually complete than the existing tools. Otherwise you're not really improving things, just piling on more crap for people to learn.
  - peteretep 12y ago
    Dude! There are no existing tools!! That's the point of the whole article!!!
- Shorel 12y ago
  Or, write a framework in D.
viraptor 12y ago
> I have no idea why would I be interested on your prediction on a not-very-useful index. Because it's a prediction about internet, community, and people's behaviour, based on the previous knowledge about languages. Not based on the knowledge of Swift. It's a commentary about people jumping on the language that is likely to be pushed very hard by Apple - whether it's ready and useful or not.
jdonnici 12y ago
Agree. I think the main point is to say that Swift is new and not fully baked, there are no experts, so now's a great time to jump in and become an expert. Get active. Seems like a fairly clear point... What I don't get is why making that point needed the "I know more ObjC than you do" preamble.

jug6ernaut 12y ago

Agreed. I came away from this thinking "wtf did i just read?" 1/2 of it seems like him saying how Swift should have been reviewed more before release then him saying he expects greatness. With no real grounds for the latter, except that he has a lot of experience with Obj-C. Not that I have an opinion either way, i have not personally looked into Swift(and know very little of Obj-C). Just seems like he didn't even know where he was going with this article.

peteretep 12y ago

Did you just read the first half of the article? The rest of it is the main point. Given that it's likely to be very very popular, and nobody can claim to be an expert, you can be one of the most knowledgeable people in the world about it by getting in now. Want to be the author of a very popular framework in a very popular language? Write a framework now in Swift.

mattgreenrocks 12y ago
These are exceedingly poor motives. Write a framework in Swift if the abstractions it introduces are considerably better and more conceptually complete than the existing tools. Otherwise you're not really improving things, just piling on more crap for people to learn.
- peteretep 12y ago
  Dude! There are no existing tools!! That's the point of the whole article!!!
Shorel 12y ago
Or, write a framework in D.

viraptor 12y ago

> I have no idea why would I be interested on your prediction on a not-very-useful index. Because it's a prediction about internet, community, and people's behaviour, based on the previous knowledge about languages. Not based on the knowledge of Swift. It's a commentary about people jumping on the language that is likely to be pushed very hard by Apple - whether it's ready and useful or not.

jdonnici 12y ago

Agree. I think the main point is to say that Swift is new and not fully baked, there are no experts, so now's a great time to jump in and become an expert. Get active. Seems like a fairly clear point... What I don't get is why making that point needed the "I know more ObjC than you do" preamble.