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I think http://www.marco.org/2014/07/10/app-review-should-test-accessibility http://www.marco.org/2014/07/10/app-review-should-test-acces... would be a good way

by jareds 12y ago

I think http://www.marco.org/2014/07/10/app-review-should-test-accessibility http://www.marco.org/2014/07/10/app-review-should-test-acces... would be a good way to deal with this. As a blind iPhone user I don't think all apps should have to be made accessible. For example I will never play Angry Birds or use image editing apps. While inaccessible updates are an issue this resolution is overly vague. It would be better if there was a section 508 type standard for mobile apps that productivity apps could use as a guide to accessibility and that governments and companies could hold app developers accountable to.

malandrew 12y ago
What advice would you give to someone developing a windowing system that allows the arbitrary placement of "layers" in a 3D space for sighted users, where each layer represents content such as an HTML document? I know where I can find basic information for incorporating existing affordances like those in WAI-ARIA, but I haven't a clue where one would start learning the basic underlying principles for designing any fundamentally graphical system for eventual use by the blind. FWIW, I'm one of the software engineers at famo.us and I'm genuinely curious about knowing how to start designing accessibility features normally found in operating systems, rich application frameworks and windowing systems (qt, kde, gnome, cocoa, wpf, UIKit, AppKit, etc.) from first principles. At the end of the day, at famo.us we're fundamentally exploring and implementing concepts in client-side JavaScript that have historically been the domain of the user agent makers and been implemented directly in browsers and accessibility tools like screen readers. With that in mind, do you know of people/projects/efforts to implement accessibility features directly in JavaScript? If not, what kind of accessibility features would you like to see that could be implemented in client-side JavaScript? At the end of the day, HTML Documents have always been linear in nature, but applications are fundamentally non-linear, so a lot of the concepts I'm familiar with don't exactly map to what we're doing with scene graphs. Furthermore, the trend for interface designers to explore z-depth as an affordance makes things simpler for sighted users, but I would imagine complicates things for visually impaired users. Lastly, besides the recently founded "a11ybay", are there any other notable developer communities/meetups you know of in or around San Francisco where one can meet engineers specializing in accessibility. related: [0] The Extensible Web Manifesto http://extensiblewebmanifesto.org/ http://extensiblewebmanifesto.org/ [1] a11ybay http://www.meetup.com/a11ybay/ http://www.meetup.com/a11ybay/
- jareds 12y ago
  Since my job is mostly Mainframe programming I don't have much experience with accessibility from a developers point of view. You might want to try and get in contact with people at http://www.paciellogroup.com/ http://www.paciellogroup.com/ though, I've read there blog and it looks like they know what there talking about.
  - malandrew 12y ago
    Thank you. Will do.
- chrmaury 12y ago
  The accessibility community is very small and highly networked. I can introduce you to individual developers if you are interested. I guess HN doesn't allow Private Messages, but you can find me on linkedin linkedin.com/in/chrmaury

by jareds 12y ago

malandrew 12y ago

What advice would you give to someone developing a windowing system that allows the arbitrary placement of "layers" in a 3D space for sighted users, where each layer represents content such as an HTML document? I know where I can find basic information for incorporating existing affordances like those in WAI-ARIA, but I haven't a clue where one would start learning the basic underlying principles for designing any fundamentally graphical system for eventual use by the blind. FWIW, I'm one of the software engineers at famo.us and I'm genuinely curious about knowing how to start designing accessibility features normally found in operating systems, rich application frameworks and windowing systems (qt, kde, gnome, cocoa, wpf, UIKit, AppKit, etc.) from first principles. At the end of the day, at famo.us we're fundamentally exploring and implementing concepts in client-side JavaScript that have historically been the domain of the user agent makers and been implemented directly in browsers and accessibility tools like screen readers. With that in mind, do you know of people/projects/efforts to implement accessibility features directly in JavaScript? If not, what kind of accessibility features would you like to see that could be implemented in client-side JavaScript? At the end of the day, HTML Documents have always been linear in nature, but applications are fundamentally non-linear, so a lot of the concepts I'm familiar with don't exactly map to what we're doing with scene graphs. Furthermore, the trend for interface designers to explore z-depth as an affordance makes things simpler for sighted users, but I would imagine complicates things for visually impaired users. Lastly, besides the recently founded "a11ybay", are there any other notable developer communities/meetups you know of in or around San Francisco where one can meet engineers specializing in accessibility. related: [0] The Extensible Web Manifesto http://extensiblewebmanifesto.org/ http://extensiblewebmanifesto.org/ [1] a11ybay http://www.meetup.com/a11ybay/ http://www.meetup.com/a11ybay/

jareds 12y ago
Since my job is mostly Mainframe programming I don't have much experience with accessibility from a developers point of view. You might want to try and get in contact with people at http://www.paciellogroup.com/ http://www.paciellogroup.com/ though, I've read there blog and it looks like they know what there talking about.
- malandrew 12y ago
  Thank you. Will do.
chrmaury 12y ago
The accessibility community is very small and highly networked. I can introduce you to individual developers if you are interested. I guess HN doesn't allow Private Messages, but you can find me on linkedin linkedin.com/in/chrmaury