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Interesting report on the flight path on BBC news yesterday - they showed that most European airlines flew directly over Ukraine ... British Airways however, ha

Interesting report on the flight path on BBC news yesterday - they showed that most European airlines flew directly over Ukraine ... British Airways however, have been skirting the country entirely, either going North or South depending on available corridors. That could just be the usual British "better safe than sorry" mentality, but I suspect they were perhaps given intelligence that suggested unstable rebels had access to SAMs.

eps 12y ago
There was an even more interesting report (from the FlightRadar) on the flight path of the plane than was downed. It basically veered off its standard course that was going to the left and under the rebel territory and right over the rebel territory. Couple this with some reports that the plane was escorted by Ukrainian fighter jets at some point and it stops looking as a clear cut "stupid rebel monkey" case. After all Ukraine has much more to gain from this incident if it blamed on rebels/Russians. They also got the US keenly interested in the whole mess, offering a wealth of experience in steering geo-politically important conflicts the "right way", so this could very well be a staged provaction.
- vdaniuk 12y ago
  >some reports that the plane was escorted by Ukrainian fighter jets I am sure those reports are really credible, right? Care to provide an authoritative source on that?
  - huhtenberg 12y ago
    http://de.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK http://de.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717... - click on other dates and keep an eye on the flight path http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/ukraine-traffic-controllers-instructed-mh17-to-fly-lower-mas-says http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/ukraine-t... - they were instructed by Ukrainians to fly at 33,000 ft instead of requested 35,000 ft http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/741248 http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/741248 - the warplane escort. The original tweet was removed, but here's a copy - http://i.imgur.com/8YILn3x.png http://i.imgur.com/8YILn3x.png
    - personZ 12y ago
      Ah, the conspiracy garbage infects HN. This is exactly why this sort of story does not belong here. click on other dates and keep an eye on the flight path You mean that the flight path changed significantly every single day? What does that prove? You do understand that flight paths are set based upon weather, air currents, etc? As to 33,000 versus 35,000 -- so? What does that prove? The SAM could hit up to 70,000 feet and beyond. That proves utterly nothing. As to the "Spanish air controller" -- people referring to an anonymous twitter source is simply incredible.
  - myth_drannon 12y ago
    there is no credible source during propaganda wars
konstruktor 12y ago
If a British service has had intelligence on that, they have failed to protect 9 of their compatriots by just sharing it with BA.
- arjie 12y ago
  Considering the story (true or not) about Coventry not being warned about the German bombers coming for it isn't exactly treated as one of national shame, it isn't quite clear that losing 9 citizens is a big deal to them under these circumstances.

eps 12y ago

There was an even more interesting report (from the FlightRadar) on the flight path of the plane than was downed. It basically veered off its standard course that was going to the left and under the rebel territory and right over the rebel territory. Couple this with some reports that the plane was escorted by Ukrainian fighter jets at some point and it stops looking as a clear cut "stupid rebel monkey" case. After all Ukraine has much more to gain from this incident if it blamed on rebels/Russians. They also got the US keenly interested in the whole mess, offering a wealth of experience in steering geo-politically important conflicts the "right way", so this could very well be a staged provaction.

vdaniuk 12y ago
>some reports that the plane was escorted by Ukrainian fighter jets I am sure those reports are really credible, right? Care to provide an authoritative source on that?
- huhtenberg 12y ago
  http://de.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK http://de.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717... - click on other dates and keep an eye on the flight path http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/ukraine-traffic-controllers-instructed-mh17-to-fly-lower-mas-says http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/ukraine-t... - they were instructed by Ukrainians to fly at 33,000 ft instead of requested 35,000 ft http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/741248 http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/741248 - the warplane escort. The original tweet was removed, but here's a copy - http://i.imgur.com/8YILn3x.png http://i.imgur.com/8YILn3x.png
  - personZ 12y ago
    Ah, the conspiracy garbage infects HN. This is exactly why this sort of story does not belong here. click on other dates and keep an eye on the flight path You mean that the flight path changed significantly every single day? What does that prove? You do understand that flight paths are set based upon weather, air currents, etc? As to 33,000 versus 35,000 -- so? What does that prove? The SAM could hit up to 70,000 feet and beyond. That proves utterly nothing. As to the "Spanish air controller" -- people referring to an anonymous twitter source is simply incredible.
- myth_drannon 12y ago
  there is no credible source during propaganda wars

konstruktor 12y ago

If a British service has had intelligence on that, they have failed to protect 9 of their compatriots by just sharing it with BA.

arjie 12y ago
Considering the story (true or not) about Coventry not being warned about the German bombers coming for it isn't exactly treated as one of national shame, it isn't quite clear that losing 9 citizens is a big deal to them under these circumstances.