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While your conclusion is true, for-profit prison systems are a clear conflict of interest and certainly influence media and lobbying. Law enforcement has sprea

by wprl 12y ago

While your conclusion is true, for-profit prison systems are a clear conflict of interest and certainly influence media and lobbying. Law enforcement has spread its fair share of misinformation and unnecessary violence, as well.

rayiner 12y ago
I think for profit prisons are very bad. I'm not a fan of public unions of any sort either. But laying the blame on them is just a cop-out. These policies were implemented with overehelming public support at a time when the for-profit prison industry was essentially non-existent. The for profit prison lobby is opportunist: taking advantage of the policy. They didn't create it.
- wprl 12y ago
  It's not a cop out. There are many parties which share blame: the Public for its fearful ignorance and fear, the prisons for profiteering and massive media and lobbying influence, law enforcement for enforcing the "lex malla" of drug policy with violence, various government organizations of various nationalities (including to a large degree the US) for using hard drugs as a tool to manipulate political, social, and economic situations, assassinations, cartels and gangs that sell drugs to fund human trafficking and murder, the list goes on… There's a lot of blame to go around. The prisons share a whole lot of it.
  - rayiner 12y ago
    Apportioning the blame properly is crucial to understanding the significance of this call from the WHO. The vast majority of responses to this article focus on for profit prisons, police lobbying, and how the government doesn't do what the people want. If these are the driving forces behind the drug war, then a WHO recommendation is going to have little effect. However, the emprical evidence shows that the drug war arose not from for profit prison lobbying, an industry that really didn't exist when the phrase was coined, but on the back of vast public support. Moreover, the evidence also shows decriminalization policies gaining ground as public opinion shifts. The bottom line is that the thesis underlying most of the comments in this thread is wrong. For profit prisons, police unions, etc, are not the biggest roadblocks to legalization. They're opportunists, but the backbone of the drug war is massive support from soccer moms and dads, the reliable voters that created the drug war in the first place. And if the medical community starts chipping away at them, change will follow, regardless of what the prison lobbey wants.
    - wprl 12y ago
      The manner in which international drug prohibition began and the manners in which it is sustained are not equivalent. To say public opinion is the most important aspect is reductive.

by wprl 12y ago

rayiner 12y ago

I think for profit prisons are very bad. I'm not a fan of public unions of any sort either. But laying the blame on them is just a cop-out. These policies were implemented with overehelming public support at a time when the for-profit prison industry was essentially non-existent. The for profit prison lobby is opportunist: taking advantage of the policy. They didn't create it.

wprl 12y ago
It's not a cop out. There are many parties which share blame: the Public for its fearful ignorance and fear, the prisons for profiteering and massive media and lobbying influence, law enforcement for enforcing the "lex malla" of drug policy with violence, various government organizations of various nationalities (including to a large degree the US) for using hard drugs as a tool to manipulate political, social, and economic situations, assassinations, cartels and gangs that sell drugs to fund human trafficking and murder, the list goes on… There's a lot of blame to go around. The prisons share a whole lot of it.
- rayiner 12y ago
  Apportioning the blame properly is crucial to understanding the significance of this call from the WHO. The vast majority of responses to this article focus on for profit prisons, police lobbying, and how the government doesn't do what the people want. If these are the driving forces behind the drug war, then a WHO recommendation is going to have little effect. However, the emprical evidence shows that the drug war arose not from for profit prison lobbying, an industry that really didn't exist when the phrase was coined, but on the back of vast public support. Moreover, the evidence also shows decriminalization policies gaining ground as public opinion shifts. The bottom line is that the thesis underlying most of the comments in this thread is wrong. For profit prisons, police unions, etc, are not the biggest roadblocks to legalization. They're opportunists, but the backbone of the drug war is massive support from soccer moms and dads, the reliable voters that created the drug war in the first place. And if the medical community starts chipping away at them, change will follow, regardless of what the prison lobbey wants.
  - wprl 12y ago
    The manner in which international drug prohibition began and the manners in which it is sustained are not equivalent. To say public opinion is the most important aspect is reductive.