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It's rough, not because of Swift, but because of Xcode. I really love Swift, but it take some time to get up to the speed you are used with Objective-c. Mostly

It's rough, not because of Swift, but because of Xcode. I really love Swift, but it take some time to get up to the speed you are used with Objective-c. Mostly because of the new syntax, but also because Xcode is very buggy around code completion, linking and syntax highlighting. But for a new app, I would recommend Swift to anyone, it's light, and readable, I really like it.

nwalter08 12y ago
Amen to this. Almost my feelings exactly
r618 12y ago
that's right the only thing which saddens me a bit is that any Swift app is iOS 8+ only :(
tejaswiy 12y ago
+1 to this. It's like we're back in Xcode 3.x again with Swift.
k-mcgrady 12y ago
I had some big issues with code completion in Swift in Xcode. The completion engine regularly crashed and all syntax highlighting and warnings/errors disappeared. A total nightmare when you're trying to learn a new language.
- coldtea 12y ago
  >The completion engine regularly crashed and all syntax highlighting and warnings/errors disappeared. A total nightmare when you're trying to learn a new language. Kids these days... We had to learn new languages with no "syntax highlighting", no "completion engine", no tutorials, no reference sites and no internet in general. If we were lucky we had some kind of printed manual -- not always.
  - k-mcgrady 12y ago
    I may be a kid (24) but I also remember those days from learning Pascal :)
eludwig 12y ago
Debugging Swift is terrible right now in Xcode, unless I am not doing it right. Some values can be seen, others are inexplicably missing. Coming from Java/IntelliJ, it's a hopeless mess. I hope that Xcode/Swift gets better in the debugging department soon. NSLog() is a rough way to see values. It's just so 1996.
- dimillian 12y ago
  print and println just works for any value. But yeah, breakpoint and PO at doesn't work for debugging at the moment.
- coldtea 12y ago
  >I hope that Xcode/Swift gets better in the debugging department soon. NSLog() is a rough way to see values. It's just so 1996. Well, XCode also has the Swift Playground, with live values updating next to your code etc. Java/IntelliJ don't have that (of course XCode's implementation is beta too, and might not work on some cases).
  - emp 12y ago
    Playground however is just a place for playing with snippets of code. And experiment and learn environment. If you have a bug in a running app, it's just not possible to recreate the problem except for the simplest of apps.
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nwalter08 12y ago

Amen to this. Almost my feelings exactly

r618 12y ago

that's right the only thing which saddens me a bit is that any Swift app is iOS 8+ only :(

tejaswiy 12y ago

+1 to this. It's like we're back in Xcode 3.x again with Swift.

k-mcgrady 12y ago

I had some big issues with code completion in Swift in Xcode. The completion engine regularly crashed and all syntax highlighting and warnings/errors disappeared. A total nightmare when you're trying to learn a new language.

coldtea 12y ago
>The completion engine regularly crashed and all syntax highlighting and warnings/errors disappeared. A total nightmare when you're trying to learn a new language. Kids these days... We had to learn new languages with no "syntax highlighting", no "completion engine", no tutorials, no reference sites and no internet in general. If we were lucky we had some kind of printed manual -- not always.
- k-mcgrady 12y ago
  I may be a kid (24) but I also remember those days from learning Pascal :)

eludwig 12y ago

Debugging Swift is terrible right now in Xcode, unless I am not doing it right. Some values can be seen, others are inexplicably missing. Coming from Java/IntelliJ, it's a hopeless mess. I hope that Xcode/Swift gets better in the debugging department soon. NSLog() is a rough way to see values. It's just so 1996.

dimillian 12y ago
print and println just works for any value. But yeah, breakpoint and PO at doesn't work for debugging at the moment.
coldtea 12y ago
>I hope that Xcode/Swift gets better in the debugging department soon. NSLog() is a rough way to see values. It's just so 1996. Well, XCode also has the Swift Playground, with live values updating next to your code etc. Java/IntelliJ don't have that (of course XCode's implementation is beta too, and might not work on some cases).
- emp 12y ago
  Playground however is just a place for playing with snippets of code. And experiment and learn environment. If you have a bug in a running app, it's just not possible to recreate the problem except for the simplest of apps.
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