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I have no beef with abortions. I believe they should be readily accessible and women should have the choice. If Bill and Melinda Gates think the same then I can

by yardie 12y ago

I have no beef with abortions. I believe they should be readily accessible and women should have the choice. If Bill and Melinda Gates think the same then I can't mark it against them. I've never met anyone who was in support of the ProChoice argument and saw it as a way to control population growth. That is simply ridiculous.

NoPiece 12y ago
China? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_China Or how about this paper on the role of abortion in population control http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3709011 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3709011 No nation desirous of reducing its growth rate to 1% or less can expect to do so without the widespread use of abortion. This observational study, based on the experience of 116 of the world's largest countries, supports the contention that abortion is essential to any national population growth control effort. The principal findings are: Except for a few countries with ageing populations and very high contraceptive prevalence rates, developed countries will need to maintain abortion rates generally in the range of 201-500 abortions per 1000 live births if they are to maintain growth rates at levels below 1%.
- yardie 12y ago
  You've basically conflated what an independent NGO provides as a choice to what a government enforces as a policy. No point in debating things now. I'll leave.
dredmorbius 12y ago
Abortion itself isn't a particularly good direct way to control population, and there are others which are just as effective which have been used traditionally in many cultures: infanticide. That said, a number of people with a strong expressed interest in population control, for example, the Ehrlichs, include family planning, but not forced methods of population control (e.g., forced abortions or sterilization) among the methods they advocate. See for example One With Nineveh. Ehrlich does note on page 189: "By the mid-twentieth century, abortions were being performed legally in some other [non-US] parts of the world. In the SovietUnion and eastern Europe, contraceptives were often unreliable and usually unavailable, so abortion was the primary means of birth control." A few paragraphs later: "Abortion is a difficult issue for most peopple, and most people would prefer to see safe and effective contraception widely available to, and used by, all sexually active individuals. If this were to happen, the abortion controversy, perhaps the* biggest source of ethical dispute in our society today, could go away." His primary focus though is addressed in the following section: "Influencing Reproduction Decisions", largely via education, incentive policies, and family planning services, principally other than abortion.
joeclark77 12y ago
How about current Supreme Court associate justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg? In a 2009 NYT piece she said, "Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of."

by yardie 12y ago

NoPiece 12y ago

China? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_China Or how about this paper on the role of abortion in population control http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3709011 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3709011 No nation desirous of reducing its growth rate to 1% or less can expect to do so without the widespread use of abortion. This observational study, based on the experience of 116 of the world's largest countries, supports the contention that abortion is essential to any national population growth control effort. The principal findings are: Except for a few countries with ageing populations and very high contraceptive prevalence rates, developed countries will need to maintain abortion rates generally in the range of 201-500 abortions per 1000 live births if they are to maintain growth rates at levels below 1%.

yardie 12y ago
You've basically conflated what an independent NGO provides as a choice to what a government enforces as a policy. No point in debating things now. I'll leave.

dredmorbius 12y ago

Abortion itself isn't a particularly good direct way to control population, and there are others which are just as effective which have been used traditionally in many cultures: infanticide. That said, a number of people with a strong expressed interest in population control, for example, the Ehrlichs, include family planning, but not forced methods of population control (e.g., forced abortions or sterilization) among the methods they advocate. See for example One With Nineveh. Ehrlich does note on page 189: "By the mid-twentieth century, abortions were being performed legally in some other [non-US] parts of the world. In the SovietUnion and eastern Europe, contraceptives were often unreliable and usually unavailable, so abortion was the primary means of birth control." A few paragraphs later: "Abortion is a difficult issue for most peopple, and most people would prefer to see safe and effective contraception widely available to, and used by, all sexually active individuals. If this were to happen, the abortion controversy, perhaps the* biggest source of ethical dispute in our society today, could go away." His primary focus though is addressed in the following section: "Influencing Reproduction Decisions", largely via education, incentive policies, and family planning services, principally other than abortion.

joeclark77 12y ago

How about current Supreme Court associate justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg? In a 2009 NYT piece she said, "Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of."