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While there are a lot of nuances to this I won't get into, the simple answer is that it's hard to control where the virus inserts into the genome (imagine inser

by svsaraf 12y ago

While there are a lot of nuances to this I won't get into, the simple answer is that it's hard to control where the virus inserts into the genome (imagine inserting a random page in the middle of a recipe book). It's also hard to get the virus to target the cells you need to reach, as they often only target one specific cell type.

qnaal 12y ago
we need more test subjects... if it's legal to terminate unborn fetuses, shouldn't it be legal to experiment on them?
- Someone 12y ago
  Not necessarily. The population of some countries allows their government to kill (selected) people, but not to experiment on them, so the first doesn't necessarily imply the second.
- dm2 12y ago
  Animals are close enough to humans that we can experiment on them to perfect it then move to human trials. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_research Experimenting on otherwise terminated fetuses would be unquestionably unethical because we'd have to let them age a little, which means their brain would develop, they would gain consciousness and would be likely be very messed up, then have to be "put down". That idea probably won't get much support... We can and do use monkeys, "Planet of the Apes" is based on this. Attempting to cure alzheimers created smart monkeys, then a bunch of unknown stuff happened and they took over the world.
  - Houshalter 12y ago
    Could we possibly grow headless humans that are kept alive on life support or something to make up for the missing brain?
    - dm2 12y ago
      There has been talks of headless chickens for use as food before. http://www.wired.com/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution/ http://www.wired.com/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution/ http://we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/2012/02/farming-the-unconscious.php http://we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/2012/02/farming-th... I'm not going to say impossible, but we just don't need them at this point. Plus since a lot of these genetic experiments would be ultimately affecting something in the brain, it might be near pointless. I don't know, I just don't see it being plausible or necessary or allowed anytime soon. If we can grow headless bodies, we can just use the organs for transplants, so... that'd be much easier. I don't know, that's kind of a strange question that I don't feel comfortable even considering. Not many scientists would be comfortable experimenting on headless humans either. Understanding DNA/RNA and simulating it with computers while using animals to verify the algorithms might be more effective. Basically science is: predict what will happen, try everything, see what happens, study the results, don't blow yourself up or kill people. Mice and other animals are debatable to harm if necessary, greater good I suppose.
      - Houshalter 12y ago
        Organ transplants would be the biggest benefit, possibly even full head/brain transplants which would cure almost all conditions. Once we have the technology to reconnect nerves at least. Yes you can't test what happens to brain tissue ethically, but you can test on every other organ and tissue which would be a huge advantage.
        dm2 12y ago
        A brain transplant would require some technology that won't be available for a very long time. You would need to connect the two brains and somehow move or copy all of the data to the new brain, then gradually shutdown the old brain. We're no where close to that, but it will be a very interesting time once that happens. It will be yet another major step in our evolution.
bayesianhorse 12y ago
The virus doesn't need to insert its sequences into the genome. There are different types of virus, and some do (retroviruses) and others don't. It can be perfectly fine to have the dna floating around in the nucleus or even the cell body to turn it into a protein. Exceptions abound, of course...

by svsaraf 12y ago

qnaal 12y ago

we need more test subjects... if it's legal to terminate unborn fetuses, shouldn't it be legal to experiment on them?

Someone 12y ago
Not necessarily. The population of some countries allows their government to kill (selected) people, but not to experiment on them, so the first doesn't necessarily imply the second.
dm2 12y ago
Animals are close enough to humans that we can experiment on them to perfect it then move to human trials. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_research Experimenting on otherwise terminated fetuses would be unquestionably unethical because we'd have to let them age a little, which means their brain would develop, they would gain consciousness and would be likely be very messed up, then have to be "put down". That idea probably won't get much support... We can and do use monkeys, "Planet of the Apes" is based on this. Attempting to cure alzheimers created smart monkeys, then a bunch of unknown stuff happened and they took over the world.
- Houshalter 12y ago
  Could we possibly grow headless humans that are kept alive on life support or something to make up for the missing brain?
  - dm2 12y ago
    There has been talks of headless chickens for use as food before. http://www.wired.com/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution/ http://www.wired.com/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution/ http://we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/2012/02/farming-the-unconscious.php http://we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/2012/02/farming-th... I'm not going to say impossible, but we just don't need them at this point. Plus since a lot of these genetic experiments would be ultimately affecting something in the brain, it might be near pointless. I don't know, I just don't see it being plausible or necessary or allowed anytime soon. If we can grow headless bodies, we can just use the organs for transplants, so... that'd be much easier. I don't know, that's kind of a strange question that I don't feel comfortable even considering. Not many scientists would be comfortable experimenting on headless humans either. Understanding DNA/RNA and simulating it with computers while using animals to verify the algorithms might be more effective. Basically science is: predict what will happen, try everything, see what happens, study the results, don't blow yourself up or kill people. Mice and other animals are debatable to harm if necessary, greater good I suppose.
    - Houshalter 12y ago
      Organ transplants would be the biggest benefit, possibly even full head/brain transplants which would cure almost all conditions. Once we have the technology to reconnect nerves at least. Yes you can't test what happens to brain tissue ethically, but you can test on every other organ and tissue which would be a huge advantage.
      - dm2 12y ago
        A brain transplant would require some technology that won't be available for a very long time. You would need to connect the two brains and somehow move or copy all of the data to the new brain, then gradually shutdown the old brain. We're no where close to that, but it will be a very interesting time once that happens. It will be yet another major step in our evolution.

bayesianhorse 12y ago

The virus doesn't need to insert its sequences into the genome. There are different types of virus, and some do (retroviruses) and others don't. It can be perfectly fine to have the dna floating around in the nucleus or even the cell body to turn it into a protein. Exceptions abound, of course...