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> I agree to an extent. But there's a point at which Level3 stops becoming a peer and starts becoming a subscriber. That point is somewhere between equal utiliz

> I agree to an extent. But there's a point at which Level3 stops becoming a peer and starts becoming a subscriber. That point is somewhere between equal utilization of Verizon's peering point and (near) total upstream into Verizon's network, just as any Verizon subscriber would have. Where is that point? That's not true. I pay Verizon $X/mo to deliver the internet to me. And most of what I want delivered at 100mbps is netflix. Now instead of Verizon taking the millions (billions?) in revenue and building out what we're paying for, they're trying to charge netflix (for what they already charged me).

mikecb 12y ago
I have a website I host from home. Am I entitled to free FIOS because someone else on FIOS wants to access it? That's the question. It gets confused in the peering issue. And settlement free peering is important, even essential to how the internet works. And the FCC should absolutely preserve it. But the real question here is, is this a peering relationship anymore. And Verizon has a legitimate argument that it is not based on the sustained differences in traffic flows. I don't know what the answer is to this problem, but I'm not convinced by either Level3/Netflix or Verizon. Personally, if I ran Verizon, I'd be meshing with Google/Netflix/Amazon's networks as much as possible. But I'm not, oh well.
- mcphage 12y ago
  > Am I entitled to free FIOS because someone else on FIOS wants to access it? That would be up to the arrangement you have with your internet provider.
- ethanhunt_ 12y ago
  > And Verizon has a legitimate argument that it is not based on the sustained differences in traffic flows Verizon and comcast have been selling asymmetrical residential links since always. Verizon is advertising 500/100 on their homepage right now. They know damn well that people are pulling way more data than they're pushing, and the interconnect links from level3-to-ISP have always been hugely asymmetrical.

mikecb 12y ago

I have a website I host from home. Am I entitled to free FIOS because someone else on FIOS wants to access it? That's the question. It gets confused in the peering issue. And settlement free peering is important, even essential to how the internet works. And the FCC should absolutely preserve it. But the real question here is, is this a peering relationship anymore. And Verizon has a legitimate argument that it is not based on the sustained differences in traffic flows. I don't know what the answer is to this problem, but I'm not convinced by either Level3/Netflix or Verizon. Personally, if I ran Verizon, I'd be meshing with Google/Netflix/Amazon's networks as much as possible. But I'm not, oh well.

mcphage 12y ago
> Am I entitled to free FIOS because someone else on FIOS wants to access it? That would be up to the arrangement you have with your internet provider.
ethanhunt_ 12y ago
> And Verizon has a legitimate argument that it is not based on the sustained differences in traffic flows Verizon and comcast have been selling asymmetrical residential links since always. Verizon is advertising 500/100 on their homepage right now. They know damn well that people are pulling way more data than they're pushing, and the interconnect links from level3-to-ISP have always been hugely asymmetrical.