4 ms·

OK since you shared your theory here is mine. This is overwhelmingly likely a false flag operation performed by CIA and the new Ukrainian government to further

OK since you shared your theory here is mine. This is overwhelmingly likely a false flag operation performed by CIA and the new Ukrainian government to further deligitimize the ethnic Russian population in Eastern Ukraine and put additional pressure on Putin to denounce them or face the disapproval of the entire Western world. But let's go with your overwhelmingly more sensible explanation since I am clearly just a KGB paid astroturfer and a crazy conspiracy theorist to boot and nothing like that would ever happen in the real world.

mindrag 12y ago
What makes your theory "overwhelmingly likely"?
- mladenkovacevic 12y ago
  There is no motivation for the separatists to do this. "We don't recognize the current government and want more autonomy. Let's shot down a foreign passenger plane! That'll help our cause!" But the point I was really trying to make is that there is no "overwhelmingly likely" theory at this point. There are just knee-jerk reactions based on your preexisting world view.
  - peeters 12y ago
    You're assuming it had to be intentional, which is an overwhelmingly unjustified assumption. All it would take is the person in control of the weapon to think it's a military transport.
  - krschultz 12y ago
    I think everyone is assuming it was an accident. Coming at it from the direction of trying to explain why anyone would choose to shoot down a passenger plane probably doesn't help clarify the situation.
  - ufmace 12y ago
    Most likely, it's an accident. Somewhere else in this thread, there's links to a Russian separatist claiming to have shot down what he thought was a military transport with a Buk missile system that they bragged about having several weeks ago. This seems to make the most sense. I can buy that maybe Russia slipped them parts of a high-end anti-aircraft missile system. Maybe enough to shoot it at an aircraft they saw. But it's plausible that they don't have the high-end air-search radar and/or the personnel with experience in managing the results of such a radar, or with the experience in operating it in cooperation with an anti-aircraft missile battery, that would allow them to reliably identify aircraft and direct attacks against only against the desired targets. They also likely have reason to be on alert to aircraft coming to attack them. I would also think that the Ukrainian military is likely to have proper air-search radar and the experience using it to identify aircraft properly. And not much reason to be on high alert for potentially hostile aircraft, since the rebels don't have any, and Russia isn't in the fight on that level now.
pjc50 12y ago
You know, I wouldn't rule it out. The CIA/state dept does have a terrible track record and is clearly involved on the pro-west side in Ukraine.

mindrag 12y ago

What makes your theory "overwhelmingly likely"?

mladenkovacevic 12y ago
There is no motivation for the separatists to do this. "We don't recognize the current government and want more autonomy. Let's shot down a foreign passenger plane! That'll help our cause!" But the point I was really trying to make is that there is no "overwhelmingly likely" theory at this point. There are just knee-jerk reactions based on your preexisting world view.
- peeters 12y ago
  You're assuming it had to be intentional, which is an overwhelmingly unjustified assumption. All it would take is the person in control of the weapon to think it's a military transport.
- krschultz 12y ago
  I think everyone is assuming it was an accident. Coming at it from the direction of trying to explain why anyone would choose to shoot down a passenger plane probably doesn't help clarify the situation.
- ufmace 12y ago
  Most likely, it's an accident. Somewhere else in this thread, there's links to a Russian separatist claiming to have shot down what he thought was a military transport with a Buk missile system that they bragged about having several weeks ago. This seems to make the most sense. I can buy that maybe Russia slipped them parts of a high-end anti-aircraft missile system. Maybe enough to shoot it at an aircraft they saw. But it's plausible that they don't have the high-end air-search radar and/or the personnel with experience in managing the results of such a radar, or with the experience in operating it in cooperation with an anti-aircraft missile battery, that would allow them to reliably identify aircraft and direct attacks against only against the desired targets. They also likely have reason to be on alert to aircraft coming to attack them. I would also think that the Ukrainian military is likely to have proper air-search radar and the experience using it to identify aircraft properly. And not much reason to be on high alert for potentially hostile aircraft, since the rebels don't have any, and Russia isn't in the fight on that level now.

pjc50 12y ago

You know, I wouldn't rule it out. The CIA/state dept does have a terrible track record and is clearly involved on the pro-west side in Ukraine.