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Does anyone have any idea what types of terrorist controlled surface-to-air missiles would be able to take out this aircraft? Would any of these systems have p

by dm2 12y ago

Does anyone have any idea what types of terrorist controlled surface-to-air missiles would be able to take out this aircraft? Would any of these systems have prevented it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_Guardian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_Guardian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAMPS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAMPS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_Guard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_Guard BTW, according to the Guardian article a MANPAD can be purchased for as little as $5,000. Apparently this was something else such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system I know this happened before, but shooting down civilian aircraft cannot be tolerated.

tdobson 12y ago
Some media reports say (citing official ukrian reports and AP visuals in the region) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system
- dm2 12y ago
  That's what this article says: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/17/us-ukraine-crash-airplane-idUSKBN0FM1TU20140717 http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/17/us-ukraine-crash-a... What is a "Pro-Russian militant"? At what point are they considered part of the Russian armed forces?
  - knodi123 12y ago
    when they are wearing a uniform and holding an official rank
    - dm2 12y ago
      Are these types of "terrorists" targeted by Putin or are they ignored because they're not targeting Russians?
mikecb 12y ago
Report say it was flying too high for a manpad. These countermeasures wouldn't work against a Buk or other radar guided missile.
sparkman55 12y ago
This airliner was flying at a nice cruising altitude of 10,000m - the man-portable surface-to-air missiles (MANPADS [1]) that the systems you linked to can't easily lock-on to planes that high (only about 6,000m according to the wiki), because they rely on infrared tracking of the plane's engines and exhaust. The defensive systems you listed work by shooting out flares that confuse infrared tracking systems, I believe. It's more likely that this plane was shot down by a radar-guided system like the BUK [2], at least one of which was captured by Ukrainian separatists recently. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MANPADS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MANPADS [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

by dm2 12y ago

tdobson 12y ago

Some media reports say (citing official ukrian reports and AP visuals in the region) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

dm2 12y ago
That's what this article says: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/17/us-ukraine-crash-airplane-idUSKBN0FM1TU20140717 http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/17/us-ukraine-crash-a... What is a "Pro-Russian militant"? At what point are they considered part of the Russian armed forces?
- knodi123 12y ago
  when they are wearing a uniform and holding an official rank
  - dm2 12y ago
    Are these types of "terrorists" targeted by Putin or are they ignored because they're not targeting Russians?

mikecb 12y ago

Report say it was flying too high for a manpad. These countermeasures wouldn't work against a Buk or other radar guided missile.

sparkman55 12y ago

This airliner was flying at a nice cruising altitude of 10,000m - the man-portable surface-to-air missiles (MANPADS [1]) that the systems you linked to can't easily lock-on to planes that high (only about 6,000m according to the wiki), because they rely on infrared tracking of the plane's engines and exhaust. The defensive systems you listed work by shooting out flares that confuse infrared tracking systems, I believe. It's more likely that this plane was shot down by a radar-guided system like the BUK [2], at least one of which was captured by Ukrainian separatists recently. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MANPADS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MANPADS [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system