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Malaysia Airlines should be shut down. They can't keep track of their planes and can't properly investigate crashes. Now they are sending a plane over an acti

by korzun 12y ago

Malaysia Airlines should be shut down. They can't keep track of their planes and can't properly investigate crashes. Now they are sending a plane over an active war zone with air space restrictions (hint: even if its restricted to 10K, flying at 30K is not OK). Feels like they are running a amateur shit show over there with little to no regulations. I can picture bunch of ex-cab drivers who are no in charge of plane routing green lighting this flight in between their 100th smoke break.

saryant 12y ago
At the time the plane lost contact, Singapore Air had other flights near the MH flight, as did other airlines. Not sure MH can be blamed for that as they aren't the only airline flying in the area. http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mh17/#3d6095b http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mh17/#3d6095b http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/sq333#3d3c1a6 http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/sq333#3d3c1a6 Also, commercial flights from Europe to India fly over Afghanistan every day, no one is concerned about that.
- korzun 12y ago
  I can't load those links but the better example would be to see which carriers avoided the no-fly zone.} Also, I don't think it's fair to compare Afghanistan and their weak and limited S2A technology to technology used by Russia and Ukraine.
  - saryant 12y ago
    MH, SQ, LH and TG all fly over Donetsk. BA and NH appear to avoid it.
    - korzun 12y ago
      Interesting. Thanks. If they can avoid it, then news like this: > http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/07/ukrainian-military-transport-plane-shot-down-201471423420802306.html http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/07/ukrainian-milit... Would make me go 'hey guys, let's avoid this route for now'.
- mikeash 12y ago
  Afghanistan doesn't have an antagonistic near-superpower supplying sophisticated arms.
- smackfu 12y ago
  Another Singapore flight that is even closer: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA351 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA351
jlmorton 12y ago
Malaysia Airlines is a respected, professional airline. We have no idea what happened to either flight, and it's rather unfair to suggest Malaysia Airlines should be "shut down."
- ddoolin 12y ago
  We definitely have a pretty good idea what happened to this one. I don't think they should be shut down at all, just stating. Both /seem/ to have been mostly out of the control of the airline, aside from flying over the area, which MH isn't the only one doing.
- korzun 12y ago
  > Malaysia Airlines is a respected, professional airline. Okay. >On Friday, Malaysia Airlines CEO released some new information that could bolster the fire theory. Four days after denying that the plane had carried any hazardous materials, the CEO admitted that it was carrying a shipment of lithium-ion batteries in its cargo hold. Also please don't call a company professional if it's sending planes over war zone with 200+ people on board.
  - pdabbadabba 12y ago
    > Also please don't call a company professional if it's sending planes over war zone with 200+ people on board. Does this change your mind? https://twitter.com/FlightCrisis/status/489806319717986305/photo/1 https://twitter.com/FlightCrisis/status/489806319717986305/p... https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/489795658879348737/photo/1 https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/489795658879348737/... https://twitter.com/jc_stubbs/status/489815565868216320 https://twitter.com/jc_stubbs/status/489815565868216320 Is Lufthansa a professional airline? Singpore Airlines? British Airways? They, along with virtually every airline, have all been routing flights through this part of Ukrainian airspace. Then again, perhaps your casual association of Malaysian airline officials with "ex-cab drivers" tells us all we need to know about your biases here.
- catkin 12y ago
  I think that's the point - nobody has any idea what happened to these two Malaysia Airlines flights and /that's/ why they should be shut down. EDIT: to clarify, I don't believe Malaysia Airlines should be shut down, just trying to clarify OPs comment.
stygiansonic 12y ago
I don't think any commercial airliners fly at "30K". The last updates from Flight Aware show the airliner at 33,000 ft or about 10 km, which is a pretty standard cruising altitude.
- pessimizer 12y ago
  K stands for 1000.

by korzun 12y ago

saryant 12y ago

At the time the plane lost contact, Singapore Air had other flights near the MH flight, as did other airlines. Not sure MH can be blamed for that as they aren't the only airline flying in the area. http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mh17/#3d6095b http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mh17/#3d6095b http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/sq333#3d3c1a6 http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/sq333#3d3c1a6 Also, commercial flights from Europe to India fly over Afghanistan every day, no one is concerned about that.

korzun 12y ago
I can't load those links but the better example would be to see which carriers avoided the no-fly zone.} Also, I don't think it's fair to compare Afghanistan and their weak and limited S2A technology to technology used by Russia and Ukraine.
- saryant 12y ago
  MH, SQ, LH and TG all fly over Donetsk. BA and NH appear to avoid it.
  - korzun 12y ago
    Interesting. Thanks. If they can avoid it, then news like this: > http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/07/ukrainian-military-transport-plane-shot-down-201471423420802306.html http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/07/ukrainian-milit... Would make me go 'hey guys, let's avoid this route for now'.
mikeash 12y ago
Afghanistan doesn't have an antagonistic near-superpower supplying sophisticated arms.
smackfu 12y ago
Another Singapore flight that is even closer: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA351 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA351

jlmorton 12y ago

Malaysia Airlines is a respected, professional airline. We have no idea what happened to either flight, and it's rather unfair to suggest Malaysia Airlines should be "shut down."

ddoolin 12y ago
We definitely have a pretty good idea what happened to this one. I don't think they should be shut down at all, just stating. Both /seem/ to have been mostly out of the control of the airline, aside from flying over the area, which MH isn't the only one doing.
korzun 12y ago
> Malaysia Airlines is a respected, professional airline. Okay. >On Friday, Malaysia Airlines CEO released some new information that could bolster the fire theory. Four days after denying that the plane had carried any hazardous materials, the CEO admitted that it was carrying a shipment of lithium-ion batteries in its cargo hold. Also please don't call a company professional if it's sending planes over war zone with 200+ people on board.
- pdabbadabba 12y ago
  > Also please don't call a company professional if it's sending planes over war zone with 200+ people on board. Does this change your mind? https://twitter.com/FlightCrisis/status/489806319717986305/photo/1 https://twitter.com/FlightCrisis/status/489806319717986305/p... https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/489795658879348737/photo/1 https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/489795658879348737/... https://twitter.com/jc_stubbs/status/489815565868216320 https://twitter.com/jc_stubbs/status/489815565868216320 Is Lufthansa a professional airline? Singpore Airlines? British Airways? They, along with virtually every airline, have all been routing flights through this part of Ukrainian airspace. Then again, perhaps your casual association of Malaysian airline officials with "ex-cab drivers" tells us all we need to know about your biases here.
catkin 12y ago
I think that's the point - nobody has any idea what happened to these two Malaysia Airlines flights and /that's/ why they should be shut down. EDIT: to clarify, I don't believe Malaysia Airlines should be shut down, just trying to clarify OPs comment.

stygiansonic 12y ago

I don't think any commercial airliners fly at "30K". The last updates from Flight Aware show the airliner at 33,000 ft or about 10 km, which is a pretty standard cruising altitude.

pessimizer 12y ago
K stands for 1000.