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Alternate speculation http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_29/Donetsk-militia-takes-control-of-Ukrainian-anti-air-installation-1561/ http://voiceofrussia.com/

Alternate speculation http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_29/Donetsk-militia-takes-control-of-Ukrainian-anti-air-installation-1561/ http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_29/Donetsk-militia-tak... Air-To-Air Missile seems highly unlikely. Rumors abound that Militia groups were bragging about downing a Ukrainian Transport http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1325017 http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1325017 Take everything with a grain of salt!

drzaiusapelord 12y ago
>Take everything with a grain of salt! That's rich coming from the guy linking to Russian state controlled media.
- smoorman1024 12y ago
  Indeed I realize that this is Russia Media. I've been monitoring information as it goes by on twitter trying to make the best sense I can of the situation. This report is dated June 29 which is interesting.
- mikeash 12y ago
  Not so much "rich" as "completely reasonable and expected". Isn't linking to a biased source exactly when you should be saying that?
  - smoorman1024 12y ago
    Indeed. I was downvoted for bringing this source to the conversation. I don't see how it's not highly relevant to the conversation. I urge everyone to read all reports though with a grain of salt and read reports from all sides.
- darthgoogle 12y ago
  What media isn't state controlled, whether overtly or covertly? When was the last time you read anything positive about Russia in the Western press? Maybe since the day you were born you've been conditioned to have a Pavlovian reaction to Russia?
  - leot 12y ago
    Dude. Russia is annexing by duplicitous force parts of a neighboring country. Full stop. There is no way to spin that as OK.
    - darthgoogle 12y ago
      1. The legitimate government of Ukraine was overthrown in a violent coup. It was not legal. http://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/2849/was-the-change-in-government-in-ukraine-legal http://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/2849/was-the-cha... 2. Subsequently, people in the already autonomous region of Crimea, ethnically/culturally/historically Russian, had a referendum to break-away from Ukraine and then join Russia - especially after the new coup leaders decided to ban use of the Russian language. Check your facts, dude.
      - gkoz 12y ago
        You forgot illegal use of the Russian armed forces in Crimea denied at the time but admitted later. Oh, and banning the use of the Russian language was completely invented by Russian TV.
      - bzbarsky 12y ago
        Fact-checking is good, yes. Start with http://www.examiner.com/list/russia-s-top-20-lies-about-ukraine http://www.examiner.com/list/russia-s-top-20-lies-about-ukra... and http://www.examiner.com/list/russia-s-top-40-lies-about-ukraine http://www.examiner.com/list/russia-s-top-40-lies-about-ukra... I've been following the Russian news somewhat and my parents have been talking to friends/relatives in both Ukraine an Russia, and the amount of outright invention in the official Russian media has been quite impressive.
    - venomsnake 12y ago
      Crimea annexation was an act of self defense. The US wanted to rent the Ukrainian naval base in Crimea next to the Russian one.
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- shitgoose 12y ago
  Both links imply that Donetsk militia could be involved in downing of Malaysian airplane.
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drzaiusapelord 12y ago

>Take everything with a grain of salt! That's rich coming from the guy linking to Russian state controlled media.

smoorman1024 12y ago
Indeed I realize that this is Russia Media. I've been monitoring information as it goes by on twitter trying to make the best sense I can of the situation. This report is dated June 29 which is interesting.
mikeash 12y ago
Not so much "rich" as "completely reasonable and expected". Isn't linking to a biased source exactly when you should be saying that?
- smoorman1024 12y ago
  Indeed. I was downvoted for bringing this source to the conversation. I don't see how it's not highly relevant to the conversation. I urge everyone to read all reports though with a grain of salt and read reports from all sides.
darthgoogle 12y ago
What media isn't state controlled, whether overtly or covertly? When was the last time you read anything positive about Russia in the Western press? Maybe since the day you were born you've been conditioned to have a Pavlovian reaction to Russia?
- leot 12y ago
  Dude. Russia is annexing by duplicitous force parts of a neighboring country. Full stop. There is no way to spin that as OK.
  - darthgoogle 12y ago
    1. The legitimate government of Ukraine was overthrown in a violent coup. It was not legal. http://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/2849/was-the-change-in-government-in-ukraine-legal http://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/2849/was-the-cha... 2. Subsequently, people in the already autonomous region of Crimea, ethnically/culturally/historically Russian, had a referendum to break-away from Ukraine and then join Russia - especially after the new coup leaders decided to ban use of the Russian language. Check your facts, dude.
    - gkoz 12y ago
      You forgot illegal use of the Russian armed forces in Crimea denied at the time but admitted later. Oh, and banning the use of the Russian language was completely invented by Russian TV.
    - bzbarsky 12y ago
      Fact-checking is good, yes. Start with http://www.examiner.com/list/russia-s-top-20-lies-about-ukraine http://www.examiner.com/list/russia-s-top-20-lies-about-ukra... and http://www.examiner.com/list/russia-s-top-40-lies-about-ukraine http://www.examiner.com/list/russia-s-top-40-lies-about-ukra... I've been following the Russian news somewhat and my parents have been talking to friends/relatives in both Ukraine an Russia, and the amount of outright invention in the official Russian media has been quite impressive.
  - venomsnake 12y ago
    Crimea annexation was an act of self defense. The US wanted to rent the Ukrainian naval base in Crimea next to the Russian one.
    - 12y ago
shitgoose 12y ago
Both links imply that Donetsk militia could be involved in downing of Malaysian airplane.

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