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The application != the landing page. The landing page is to attract and interest new users who are not yet using the application. Therefore the landing page s

by uuoc 12y ago

The application != the landing page. The landing page is to attract and interest new users who are not yet using the application. Therefore the landing page should be accessible to the widest variety of users, with the widest variety of setups. The landing page can also indicate somewhere that the app itself requires javascript, such that users are warned they need to turn javascript on if they choose to use the application. But the landing page should never, itself, require javascript to be readable/useful as an advertisement for the application.

bnejad 12y ago
It seems like you're on a personal crusade against javascript. In reality javascript is on by default for all major browser and you are a tiny fraction of 1% of all browser users that go out of your way to turn it off. I recommend you fix the problem on your end rather than rudely commenting on someones project.
whiteagle 12y ago
Dude, how do you live with javascript disabled nowadays? A rough estimate (based on yahoo's data released in 2010) would set the percentage of users with JS disable to 1.3%, and that's four years ago. Nowadays everyone's on facebook, and everyone's likes shiny features and eye-candy, so I would bet those values would be at 1% or less if you exclude all the robots and spammers out there. I mean, I would only disable javascript if I had an accessibility issue and it made it hard for me, or if I was a paranoid conspiracy theorist that uses TOR behind several proxies to access the web, and even if I was, the guy is forcing SSL (kudos for that, I like it).
- uuoc 12y ago
  > how do you live with javascript disabled nowadays Noscript (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/). 2,159,875 users according to that page. Javascript is off by default until I decide the page/app. is sufficiently engaging that I want to turn it on. > Nowadays everyone's on facebook Incorrect assumption. I, for one, am not on facebook. Therefore, not everyone is on facebook. > and everyone's likes shiny features and eye-candy Fine, but the basic content of the page (i.e., the actual information vs. the shiny objects) should be accessible without needing to enable javascript. If you actually had an accessibility issue, you'd likely have a very different opinion. Be thankful you don't have an accessibility issue.

by uuoc 12y ago

bnejad 12y ago

It seems like you're on a personal crusade against javascript. In reality javascript is on by default for all major browser and you are a tiny fraction of 1% of all browser users that go out of your way to turn it off. I recommend you fix the problem on your end rather than rudely commenting on someones project.

whiteagle 12y ago

Dude, how do you live with javascript disabled nowadays? A rough estimate (based on yahoo's data released in 2010) would set the percentage of users with JS disable to 1.3%, and that's four years ago. Nowadays everyone's on facebook, and everyone's likes shiny features and eye-candy, so I would bet those values would be at 1% or less if you exclude all the robots and spammers out there. I mean, I would only disable javascript if I had an accessibility issue and it made it hard for me, or if I was a paranoid conspiracy theorist that uses TOR behind several proxies to access the web, and even if I was, the guy is forcing SSL (kudos for that, I like it).

uuoc 12y ago
> how do you live with javascript disabled nowadays Noscript (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/). 2,159,875 users according to that page. Javascript is off by default until I decide the page/app. is sufficiently engaging that I want to turn it on. > Nowadays everyone's on facebook Incorrect assumption. I, for one, am not on facebook. Therefore, not everyone is on facebook. > and everyone's likes shiny features and eye-candy Fine, but the basic content of the page (i.e., the actual information vs. the shiny objects) should be accessible without needing to enable javascript. If you actually had an accessibility issue, you'd likely have a very different opinion. Be thankful you don't have an accessibility issue.