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How your landing page looks with javascript turned off: http://picpaste.com/pics/pknoa-nojs.1405592840.png http://picpaste.com/pics/pknoa-nojs.1405592840.png N

by uuoc 12y ago

How your landing page looks with javascript turned off: http://picpaste.com/pics/pknoa-nojs.1405592840.png http://picpaste.com/pics/pknoa-nojs.1405592840.png Note, no scroll-bar, content sitting on top of itself, no way to navigate around the page without javascript. Therefore - no thanks.

coffeeyesplease 12y ago
Hi thanks for the feedback. But the application itself would be virtually impossible to use without javascript. Either way thanks for the feedback.
- uuoc 12y ago
  The application != the landing page. The landing page is to attract and interest new users who are not yet using the application. Therefore the landing page should be accessible to the widest variety of users, with the widest variety of setups. The landing page can also indicate somewhere that the app itself requires javascript, such that users are warned they need to turn javascript on if they choose to use the application. But the landing page should never, itself, require javascript to be readable/useful as an advertisement for the application.
  - bnejad 12y ago
    It seems like you're on a personal crusade against javascript. In reality javascript is on by default for all major browser and you are a tiny fraction of 1% of all browser users that go out of your way to turn it off. I recommend you fix the problem on your end rather than rudely commenting on someones project.
  - whiteagle 12y ago
    Dude, how do you live with javascript disabled nowadays? A rough estimate (based on yahoo's data released in 2010) would set the percentage of users with JS disable to 1.3%, and that's four years ago. Nowadays everyone's on facebook, and everyone's likes shiny features and eye-candy, so I would bet those values would be at 1% or less if you exclude all the robots and spammers out there. I mean, I would only disable javascript if I had an accessibility issue and it made it hard for me, or if I was a paranoid conspiracy theorist that uses TOR behind several proxies to access the web, and even if I was, the guy is forcing SSL (kudos for that, I like it).
    - uuoc 12y ago
      > how do you live with javascript disabled nowadays Noscript (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/). 2,159,875 users according to that page. Javascript is off by default until I decide the page/app. is sufficiently engaging that I want to turn it on. > Nowadays everyone's on facebook Incorrect assumption. I, for one, am not on facebook. Therefore, not everyone is on facebook. > and everyone's likes shiny features and eye-candy Fine, but the basic content of the page (i.e., the actual information vs. the shiny objects) should be accessible without needing to enable javascript. If you actually had an accessibility issue, you'd likely have a very different opinion. Be thankful you don't have an accessibility issue.
louhike 12y ago
Very few people deactivate Javascript as far as I know. Can you please give some practical cases where it might be nefast for them?
- uuoc 12y ago
  What was "nefast" supposed to have been? Which "them"? 1) The developers of this app; 2) Those who use Noscript? Noscript (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/). That page claims 2,159,875 users and is probably an undercounting. The whole point of noscript is to have javascript off by default (to avoid a whole host of possible security exploit situations and an enormous amount of web tracking) and only white-list it when necessary. Going to a landing page, to view the advertisement for the app., is not a reason to need to turn on javascript.. If the landing page advertisement is provides enough info, then one can decide to turn on javascript to try out the app.
coffeeyesplease 12y ago
We'll definitely take your suggestion under consideration, but don't you think it's a bit harsh to dismiss the whole application because of it? Give it a try, you might like it :-)
- uuoc 12y ago
  It shows a lack of attention to detail, a lack of viewing the full picture of all your potential users, and a lack of consideration for those with accessibility issues. Therefore, if the simple landing page has all of those lacks, it stands to reason (since the app. is written by the same folks that created the landing page) that the app. may likely have all the same lacks, and possibly even more.

by uuoc 12y ago

coffeeyesplease 12y ago

Hi thanks for the feedback. But the application itself would be virtually impossible to use without javascript. Either way thanks for the feedback.

uuoc 12y ago
The application != the landing page. The landing page is to attract and interest new users who are not yet using the application. Therefore the landing page should be accessible to the widest variety of users, with the widest variety of setups. The landing page can also indicate somewhere that the app itself requires javascript, such that users are warned they need to turn javascript on if they choose to use the application. But the landing page should never, itself, require javascript to be readable/useful as an advertisement for the application.
- bnejad 12y ago
  It seems like you're on a personal crusade against javascript. In reality javascript is on by default for all major browser and you are a tiny fraction of 1% of all browser users that go out of your way to turn it off. I recommend you fix the problem on your end rather than rudely commenting on someones project.
- whiteagle 12y ago
  Dude, how do you live with javascript disabled nowadays? A rough estimate (based on yahoo's data released in 2010) would set the percentage of users with JS disable to 1.3%, and that's four years ago. Nowadays everyone's on facebook, and everyone's likes shiny features and eye-candy, so I would bet those values would be at 1% or less if you exclude all the robots and spammers out there. I mean, I would only disable javascript if I had an accessibility issue and it made it hard for me, or if I was a paranoid conspiracy theorist that uses TOR behind several proxies to access the web, and even if I was, the guy is forcing SSL (kudos for that, I like it).
  - uuoc 12y ago
    > how do you live with javascript disabled nowadays Noscript (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/). 2,159,875 users according to that page. Javascript is off by default until I decide the page/app. is sufficiently engaging that I want to turn it on. > Nowadays everyone's on facebook Incorrect assumption. I, for one, am not on facebook. Therefore, not everyone is on facebook. > and everyone's likes shiny features and eye-candy Fine, but the basic content of the page (i.e., the actual information vs. the shiny objects) should be accessible without needing to enable javascript. If you actually had an accessibility issue, you'd likely have a very different opinion. Be thankful you don't have an accessibility issue.

louhike 12y ago

Very few people deactivate Javascript as far as I know. Can you please give some practical cases where it might be nefast for them?

uuoc 12y ago
What was "nefast" supposed to have been? Which "them"? 1) The developers of this app; 2) Those who use Noscript? Noscript (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/). That page claims 2,159,875 users and is probably an undercounting. The whole point of noscript is to have javascript off by default (to avoid a whole host of possible security exploit situations and an enormous amount of web tracking) and only white-list it when necessary. Going to a landing page, to view the advertisement for the app., is not a reason to need to turn on javascript.. If the landing page advertisement is provides enough info, then one can decide to turn on javascript to try out the app.

coffeeyesplease 12y ago

We'll definitely take your suggestion under consideration, but don't you think it's a bit harsh to dismiss the whole application because of it? Give it a try, you might like it :-)

uuoc 12y ago
It shows a lack of attention to detail, a lack of viewing the full picture of all your potential users, and a lack of consideration for those with accessibility issues. Therefore, if the simple landing page has all of those lacks, it stands to reason (since the app. is written by the same folks that created the landing page) that the app. may likely have all the same lacks, and possibly even more.